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Too much whining ruined whatever points Hillary Clinton scored
New York Daily News ^ | February 27th 2008 | Michael Goodwin

Posted on 02/27/2008 5:37:25 AM PST by vietvet67

You don't have to love Hillary Clinton to feel her pain. By the end of Tuesday night's debate, she knew she had failed to change the dynamics of a race slipping away from her. The deflated look on her face telegraphed acceptance, even resignation.

But any sympathy is tempered by the fact she has only herself to blame. Her uneven performance, punctuated by one of the strangest complaints I have ever seen in a presidential debate, likely dashed her last hopes of victory. The self-pity behind the complaint was shocking and unappealing.

She started by being feisty - to a fault. The first 14 minutes were devoted to health care, her signature issue. Yet she was on the defensive and kept interrupting the moderators because Barack Obama skillfully focused on the requirement in her plan that every American purchase health care, whether they want it or not. It is a fair attack because Clinton has never explained how she would enforce that requirement or say what the penalties would be; she didn't last night, either.

Clearly frustrated by that rocky start, she began her answer to the second question, on NAFTA, with the complaint. "Well, can I just point out that in the last several debates, I seem to get the first question all the time? And I don't mind," she said, clearly minding.

Then she made the mistake worse with a foolish rehearsed line: "And if anybody saw 'Saturday Night Live,' you know, maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable and needs another pillow."

Wow. Woe is her. What a blunder. This is political malpractice of the first order.

This bomb was far worse than her "change you can Xerox" line of last week. This was a petulant whine. There was rustling in the audience, but mostly there was an awkward silence of the kind you notice when someone has said something weird or inappropriate. Creating discomfort in voters over your pain is not a traditional formula for victory.

Obviously, Clinton believes the press is biased in favor of Obama. It's a charge her team has made frequently. Yet her raising it with a victim's tone came off as a plea for sympathy - not an endearing quality in someone who wants to be President. A President is supposed to feel sympathy for the people, not the other way around.

There was one other noteworthy exchange. Asked about the endorsement he got from Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam leader who makes frequent anti-Semitic statements, Obama said he had renounced those remarks. He went on to say he was a staunch friend of Israel and cited its "special relationship" with America. He concluded with the touching note that many American Jews were instrumental in the civil rights movement, and that, as President, he hoped to restore what he called a "frayed" bond.

No complaints there. Or here.

mgoodwin@nydailynews.com


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KEYWORDS: debate; hillary; ronbrown
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To: G.Mason
Did you have a good group on the TV screen and did it splode?
What brand or type seems to handle shots best? Did the bullets go through and leave you with dry wall to patch? If the tube retained them what is best caliber and bullet composition i.e., hardball vs hollow points. And finally what is the best gun to plant without lots of petro prep?
Thanks is advance as I’ve found myself drawing a bead on my tube lately.
41 posted on 02/27/2008 6:51:12 AM PST by mcshot (Missing my grade school desk which protected from nuclear blasts.)
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To: libscum
It was Hillary that blew the Russian Premier's name - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YR361GePNI
42 posted on 02/27/2008 6:53:24 AM PST by Michamilton
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To: Pistolshot

Yes, I do. Are you saying that he along with some of the others were deep sixed by the Clintons?


43 posted on 02/27/2008 6:55:10 AM PST by nikos1121 (I'm voting for McCain...and fixin' to get excited about it.)
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To: gridlock

“Can’t you just hear her handlers, backstage, after the debate... “You scored big, Hillary. You really have him on the ropes! You were wonderful out there!!!”

As they chisel the makeup off her face.


44 posted on 02/27/2008 6:58:55 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: nikos1121
Nope.

But the Clintons have a long history of having enemies have 'issues' where they have accidents.

45 posted on 02/27/2008 7:02:25 AM PST by Pistolshot (Remember, no matter how bad your life is, someone is watching and enjoying your suffering.)
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To: vietvet67
You don't have to love Hillary Clinton to feel her pain I don't and I do (with schadenfreude)!

It's nothing compared to the pain she has given me for many years, but she is not allowed to feel it. Touch me there and I'll slap ya ...

46 posted on 02/27/2008 7:02:56 AM PST by Don Carlos (No 8 Do.)
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To: y'all

http://www.barackobamaismyhomeboy.com/


47 posted on 02/27/2008 7:07:38 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

I read somewhere that Obama will have Edwards as his Attorney General....


48 posted on 02/27/2008 7:11:08 AM PST by nikos1121 (I'm voting for McCain...and fixin' to get excited about it.)
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To: nikos1121

Oh, my!

A HomeBoy and a PrettyBoy. :^D


49 posted on 02/27/2008 7:32:36 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Red Badger
Assuming that Obama gets the Dem nomination, he will be a total nincompoop against McCain in a head to head debate this fall.......................

Hate to tell ya, but Harvard Law School grads go about as far in the nincompoop direction as Harvard Business School MBAs do. And McCain graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, which is a good school but not Harvard. So it might not be the blowout you think.

50 posted on 02/27/2008 7:43:57 AM PST by Grut
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To: PhilDragoo

Good post, Phil.

You have to wonder about anyone who would hitch their wagon to her falling star.


51 posted on 02/27/2008 7:45:29 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Grut

Obama cannot take his “hope” and “change” into a two party debate and expect to not look like a fool. If someone asks him a specific question on foreign policy or what his solution to a particular economic problem is, “We need change” is not an intelligent answer..............


52 posted on 02/27/2008 7:50:19 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: vietvet67
Exactly right!

When I saw her whine about being asked the first question in all the debates, I immediately thought that anybody leaning towards voting for her had just changed their minds.

It was the defining moment of the debate for Clinton!

53 posted on 02/27/2008 7:54:23 AM PST by moondoggie
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To: moondoggie
I get the feeling she's running for class president. Problem is, she's never had any.

Anyone else notice how she dropped the name of every city in Ohio? Twice, I think? For a moment, I thought Hussein was debating a Thomas Bros. or Mapquest employee.

54 posted on 02/27/2008 8:31:49 AM PST by budwiesest ("What's wrong with this picture?" [holding badger upside-down])
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To: mcshot
Don't do it!


Next time I will use a water pistol.


Can you still get them without a FFL?

55 posted on 02/27/2008 10:03:28 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: vietvet67
As Coroner
I vouch for her
I thouroughly examined her
and she's not only merely dead
but truly and sincerely dead


56 posted on 02/27/2008 10:49:41 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: G.Mason

She can’t fall far ENOUGH after all she’s done to undermine and corrupt the executive branch. How she had that arrogant “don’t look at me” and treated her staff and secret service personnel like low-life scum when she is the trailer trash queen just makes me puke. No, I want her to flame out and am sure there are many who are privately clapping at these turn of events that were forced to work under her regime.


57 posted on 02/27/2008 10:52:00 AM PST by princess leah
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To: G.Mason

Paperwork and background checks required. Having a CCW saves time though. Water pister it is.

Good “about” Remembrances from two brave but fallen warriors.


58 posted on 02/27/2008 11:23:15 AM PST by mcshot (Missing my grade school desk which protected from nuclear blasts.)
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To: MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo
All Obama has to do to be named the party candidate is to keep breathing.

I don't have a connected t.v., so I wasn't able to watch the debates; but I likely read maybe a hunderd or so responses on the live thread, just to get a feel for what was going on. It seemed the consensus was, in those few posts I read, that shillery wasn't doing very well....at all.

Aw.......shucks!

(crossing fingers behind back)
(of course....it IS frightening to think about Obamasama winning.....)

59 posted on 02/27/2008 12:22:43 PM PST by nicmarlo (A vote for McRino is a false mandate for McShamnesty)
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To: G.Mason

LOL!!!!


60 posted on 02/27/2008 7:51:20 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Ohio & Texas-cross over & vote Obama! LEAVE NO DOUBT! TAKE THEM OUT!)
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