Vanity: My opus on combating vote fraud

Darth

[FFranco]

This is similar to my thoughts on the matter. One thing this would do is to destroy the idea that the US is a democracy. In fact, until 1913, with passage of the Seventeenth Amendment to the Constitution, Senators were elected by the state legislatures. And of course, the President is not elected by popular vote,

Many years ago, a conservative thinker (and millionaire, whose name I have forgotten) recommended citizens get an extra vote for every million dollars of their net worth. That would give more electoral weight to property holders. In addition, taking an idea from RA Heinlein, I would give one extra vote for each two years of active duty military service. For each of these, I would give a maximum of ten extra votes.

To summarize:
Every citizen gets 1 vote.
A citizen with 20 years active duty military service gets 11 votes.
A citizen with $10 million of net worth gets 11 votes.
A citizen with 20 years active duty military service and $10 million of net worth gets 21 votes.

As you suggest, these would not be direct votes for candidates, but votes for electors who would then elect the office holders.

[weegee]

I have to present SSN information to the driver’s license bureau because of the problem of “deadbeat dads” not paying child support.

Certainly we can require proof of citizenship for those registering to vote.

[GovernmentShrinker]

I have a problem with “every citizen gets one vote”. Nobody should get a vote if they’re receiving government handouts of any kind. We urgently need to put an end to people voting themselves goodies from the public treasury, i.e. from other people’s pockets. Trouble is, about 99% of the US population either currently is receiving, or expects to be receive in the future, some kind of government handout.

[FFranco]

I think you are underestimating the extent of our dependence on the government. Everyone receives benefit from the government, either directly or indirectly.

I live in a western state where a lot of people have the idea they are rugged individualists not dependent on the government. But they grow crops irrigated by government irrigation systems drawing water provided by government dams. Their electricity is provided by government cooperatives. Ranchers have their cattle roaming on government land, while loggers cut trees in government forests. And that’s not even counting the government roads and highways we drive on, the government hospitals we go to when we’re sick or injured, and the government fire, police and ambulance services we depend on.

Let’s face it, our ideas are just utopian dreams that will probably never be implemented.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

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[the invisib1e hand]

1. moral inculcation from childhood.

Problem solved.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Well, everyone SHOULD be receiving benefits from the government INdirectly. If it weren’t so, we should completely shut down the government forthwith. But those who are using government to transfer money and/or property from others to themselves shouldn’t have a vote. And yes, that includes a lot of people who don’t think of themselves as living on government/taxpayer handouts, including everyone who has children in public schools without paying the full tab in taxes every year (about $15,000 per child on average, and a lot higher in some areas).

[FreedomPoster]

Great movie, and a bump for this thread.

[Ellendra]

“While I obviously support better election security, we CANNOT wait for our elected officials to legislate reforms. My whole post is about concrete steps we can take now to prevent elections from being stolen.”

So, lets get started, we’ve got enough bodies here. Are the election rolls accessible online? Lets pick a district to start with, maybe someone can load the list into a spreadsheet and do a “sort by address”? We can at least get a head start on tracking phantoms together. Then we can send the list of suspects to someone who can check locally.

Anyone else want to help Freep The Vote?

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

Great suggestions to act on now and pass on, please! May justice and righteousness prevail.

Also see:
July 10, 2008
The Threat of Non-Citizen Voting
by Hans A. von Spakovsky
http://www.heritage.org/Research/LegalIssues/lm28.cfm

[mnehring]

BTT
You really need to get this published with something like the National Review.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT

[indcons]

Thank you for the ping, good FRiend.

[ml/nj]

Who are the Joneses of Elm Street who actually show up to vote?

ML/NJ

[PGalt]

Thanks very much for the ping. Great post/opus and thread. Thanks to every poster. BUMP-TO-THE-TRUTH!

[Arrowhead1952]

Thanks for the ping.

[Volunteer]

A number of years ago, I attended a workshop on getting people with disabilities to vote - a cause I believe in passionately.

I stupidly thought it was going to give us some concrete information on how we could rearrange the voting sites and make it easier for folks in wheelchairs to get in and vote.

Instead, this guy who happened to be maybe the most bitter person I have ever met went into a litany of how we could and should sign up people and not verify if they were legal to vote. Examples included "you can't ask if someone is a citizen" and "you can't ask if a person has a felony conviction." He blistered the Republican party at every turn claiming that the GOP was keeping people from voting and that if we got more people voting it would balance things out.

His message didn't exactly go over very well. There were a lot of disabled vets in the room and the idea of folks who were not citizens voting did not fly.

[Paperdoll]

Thanks for your post, darth.

Have you ever read “Votescam”, by the Colliers?

I have been involved in campaigns on a volunteer basis, and served as a precinct committee officer since 1952
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I noticed in my two states that when they went to computer ballot counting it too often (nearly always, actually) happened that when the Republicans were leading, the computers would break down. When they came back up, the Republicans quickly lost their lead, bigtime!

Aside from voter fraud, four years ago it was practiced heavily with recounts of suddenly “found” uncounted ballot boxes, etc.. Dino Rossi, Republican won initially and in two ensuing recounts, until Christine Gregoire, Democrat, narrowly took the governor’s house on the third recount!

Also my county has voted down light rail twice, but the mayor and the city council recently ignored the voice of the people, and is going for light rail! So you begin to wonder how much weight a vote carries, don’t you?

There is a plea out for Christians to pray daily at 6PM for our land to be healed; to return to our Constitution, and it’s original intent; and for our leaders to turn to God for guidance. Perhaps you would be interested in joining us. Good luck to you in your endeavors.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks The Spirit Of Allegiance.