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The Democrats and Gun Control
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 17, 2008 | DAVID KOPEL

Posted on 04/17/2008 3:00:40 PM PDT by neverdem

Imagine an election race of Pat Robertson versus James Dobson, each of them appearing at organic grocery stores and Starbucks throughout Massachusetts, with each candidate insisting that he alone deserves the vote of gay-marriage advocates...

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However, having the right to arms and the liberty to hunt is worthless if you can't buy a gun. In 1999, Mr. Obama urged enactment of a federal law prohibiting the operation of any gun store within five miles of a school or park. This would eliminate gun stores from almost the entire inhabited portion of the United States.

As a state senate candidate in 1996, Mr. Obama endorsed a complete ban on all handguns in a questionnaire. The Obama campaign has claimed he "never saw or approved the questionnaire," and that an aide filled it out incorrectly. But a few weeks ago, Politico.com found an amended version of the questionnaire. It included material added in Mr. Obama's handwriting.

When the U.S. Supreme Court voted last year to hear a case on the constitutionality of the Washington, D.C., handgun ban, Mr. Obama's campaign told the Chicago Tribune: "Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional" and that "local communities" should...

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In 2001, as a state senator, Mr. Obama voted against allowing the beneficiaries of domestic violence protective orders to carry handguns for protection.

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Forty states currently allow most law-abiding adult citizens to carry concealed handguns for lawful protection, after a background check and (in almost all such states) a safety class. Of course those laws only apply to carrying within the relevant state. Mr. Obama told the Chicago Tribune in 2004 that he favored a national ban on concealed carry, to "prevent other states' laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." Mrs. Clinton campaigned against a licensed carry referendum in Missouri...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; amendment; banglist; barackobama; control; democratparty; democrats; elections; gun; gunvote; obama; rights; second; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/17/2008 3:00:41 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Obambi is a marxist. Of course he wants to disarm the American citizenry. He is so adamantly opposed to the 2nd Amendment as to be feverish in his hostility towards it. He is a confirmed marxist. An Obama presidency would be fatal to freedom.


2 posted on 04/17/2008 3:06:58 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: neverdem

The American Hunters and Shooters Association, a front for anti-gun activists (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=232&issue=011) is running ads that suggest Obama is a Second Amendment supporter. The truth is that Obama will probably get an F rating from the NRA only because no lower grade is available.


3 posted on 04/17/2008 3:13:20 PM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: neverdem
Unfortunately, there aren't enough NRA types to carry an election, just as there aren't enough Rush Limbaugh fans. Regardless, I think Obama stands a far greater chance of losing, for myriad reasons, that does clinton.

I also think Obama at the top of the ticket can do more for conservatives throughout the US than can clinton. Yes, his coattails are that short.

4 posted on 04/17/2008 3:19:18 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Winged Hussar
I'm glad you put that link up there as I never even knew about them
thanksHow on earth can they pass off as they are for the second amendment, surely people in it know who they are, yes/no

I have a sig p229 and a concealed weapons permit here in northern Florida.
I have it for my protection and my second amendment right, maybe Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton needs to look at the second amendment again that is if they have at all

Do you think that this will be a bigger topic than usual come this election?

5 posted on 04/17/2008 3:19:27 PM PDT by manc (never rush to judgment until ALL FACTS HAVE COME OUT and don't assume you'll look stupid when wrong)
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To: neverdem
The Democrats Socialists and Gun Control

There ... fixed the title.

6 posted on 04/17/2008 3:20:27 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: stevem
really

While both are harmful to American and especially free speech I just think Obama would crucify this country from within and it speaks volumes when hamas leader endorsed obama infact every enemy of this country wants obama to win

7 posted on 04/17/2008 3:21:36 PM PDT by manc (never rush to judgment until ALL FACTS HAVE COME OUT and don't assume you'll look stupid when wrong)
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To: neverdem

The bastards on the left will do everything they can to prevent HONEST people from having guns, while leaving guns deliberately, and with full knowledge, in the hands of CRIMINALS.
They will find a way. They will sneak in a law, with the help of their compliant media, that will try to take away our right.
They gave us a dumb law that eliminates incandescent light bulbs without ever explicitely saying so, and with the media deliberately hiding that fact.


8 posted on 04/17/2008 3:22:51 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: neverdem

Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun.


9 posted on 04/17/2008 3:23:24 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: manc

I’m with you. As bad as Shrillary is, Snob-ama is even worse. As for gun owners who would vote Dem, alot them really delude themselves into thinking that the Libs are only after “bad” guns like handguns and “assault” rifles. As I have said elsewhere: “Give them an inch, they’ll take a mile.” The ACLU is a perfect example of that.


10 posted on 04/17/2008 3:51:38 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: ought-six
Obambi is a marxist. Of course he wants to disarm the American citizenry. He is so adamantly opposed to the 2nd Amendment as to be feverish in his hostility towards it. He is a confirmed marxist. An Obama presidency would be fatal to freedom.

An Obama administration that decided to ban guns would not be fatal to freedom unless we failed to stand up for our freedoms.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

11 posted on 04/17/2008 3:54:35 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Charlton Heston & Ronald Reagan - my two favorite Presidents.)
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To: neverdem

In the final analysis, both Obama and Clinton are cut from the same cloth. For all their ‘little guy’ rhetoric, they are only interested in CONTROL. They believe they know best what is good for us, and they don’t give a tinker’s damn about the cost.

These socialists want only to subjugate the rest of us to their view of the world. Personally...I don’t accept that.


12 posted on 04/17/2008 4:09:38 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: neverdem
“...having the right to arms and the liberty to hunt...”

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT HUNTING!!!!

It's about the right of the people “to alter or abolish” their government if it becomes hostile to their unalienable rights conferred by almighty God!

Why can't even a reasonably conservative paper like the WSJ get it right???

13 posted on 04/17/2008 4:12:47 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: 12Gauge687
you know I'll be honest

I have no idea why anyone with a gun votes for the dems
I have no idea why anyone who is a catholic and follows their religion(directed at the north east) vote for the dems
I have especially no idea why any jewish person would ever vote for the dems as surely they can see the republicans are for Israel and the dems are for Hamas, might not say it but their actions and the odd comments show they are

14 posted on 04/17/2008 4:41:25 PM PDT by manc (most republicans are mature and with facts, being immature and paranoid is a lib trait)
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To: aomagrat

“Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun”

Says it all


15 posted on 04/17/2008 5:16:59 PM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: Jim Verdolini
“Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun”

In the 1998 Illinois gubernatorial race, was the Democrat the pro-concealed carry candidate named Glenn Poshard (who had a "D" next to his name) or the anti-gun crook named George Ryan (who had an "R" next to his name)?

16 posted on 04/17/2008 5:39:10 PM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat; Jim Verdolini
In the 1998 Illinois gubernatorial race, was the Democrat the pro-concealed carry candidate named Glenn Poshard (who had a "D" next to his name) or the anti-gun crook named George Ryan (who had an "R" next to his name)?

Hmmmmmmmm.

I remember him.

Also the pro-life Glen Poshard (D) who ran against the pro-choice George Ryan (R)?

I was proud to vote for him and would do it again.

I admit I thought Ryan was an experienced big government crook anti-gun pro-abortion crook, wheras Poshard was a big government pro-gun, anti-abortion essentially experienced honest guy.

What do I know, I'd do it again.

17 posted on 04/17/2008 5:45:10 PM PDT by SJackson (before we work on problems, have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation, Michelle O.)
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To: manc
I have no idea why anyone with a gun votes for the dems I have no idea why anyone who is a catholic and follows their religion(directed at the north east) vote for the dems I have especially no idea why any jewish person would ever vote for the dems as surely they can see the republicans are for Israel and the dems are for Hamas, might not say it but their actions and the odd comments show they are

Because it won't happen to them. I know a number of rabid gunowners, rural, veterans, who would never vote for a Republican (union, rich Republican thing) and will never be convinced over the gun issue. And their answer to the question I suspect you'll pose is from my cold dead hands. It's just not in their top 3 or 4 when it comes to voting issues.

Catholic and abortion, Jews and Israel. Same thing. These aren't the issues everyone votes on.

Better to explain that the dems suck on taxes, and fear confronting terrorists.

18 posted on 04/17/2008 5:51:59 PM PDT by SJackson (before we work on problems, have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation, Michelle O.)
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To: aomagrat

What if it’s a Zell Miller-type Democrat?


19 posted on 04/17/2008 7:01:54 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT HUNTING!!!!

You don't have to tell me or the author, Dave Kopel, about that. He has an extensive history writing about the RKBA.

20 posted on 04/17/2008 7:33:28 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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