Posted on 04/25/2008 6:36:20 AM PDT by MizSterious
Please stop posting that picture.
You are destroying the format of every thread on which you post your spam.
Actually I don’t! Answer my question in regards to the civil courts as part of CPS and that the separation of the mothers from their children is completly needed since they must be guilty and need to have their children taken from them as well because they wouldn’t incriminate themselves or even give their last names. The burden of proof for your reply to me is on you, my friend! Please I beg you to help me see what I am obviously missing with this entire situation.
Actually, any over the age of 3 months mean the girls were raped. I can’t believe all, or even a majority have children under three months only.
That wasn't what I meant. I meant, the children would not speak freely as long as their authority figures (people who say they are their parents, whether they are or not is another matter) are present to possibly intimidate them. Any child abuse situation requires a separation of this sort--it's just that in this case, there are over 400. If you want to get at the truth, you have to separate the possible victims from their possible victimizers and/or witnesses. Otherwise, stories are rehearsed and it's hard to learn the truth of the matter.
Wow!
What an image upgrade!
Please stop posting that picture.
You are destroying the format of every thread on which you post your spam.
It beats his usual one.
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The FUNDAMENTALIST Church of
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you can make all the excuses you want, even for some very good reasons (the abuse) - the facts are they HAD reason, knowledge, that the “911 caller” was bogus, and they acted anyway
wait till someone makes such a call in about your home, will the fact that they do not find any problem alter the illegitimate nature of “the cause” - no, and you would be right to sue for the illegitimate invasion of your home - not because they found no evidence, but because they had no prior, legitimate, cause
Thank you for your clarification. Your sincerity is recognized.
My reason for questioning the original was to slow the mob-like mentallity that these people “had it comin.” We can only hope that the truly guilty parties are brought to justice and the innocent are reunited after their traumatic ordeal. God speed.
I wish GOVERNMENT authorities take your childern away from you. (if you have any...)
I wish GOVERNMENT authorities take your childern (if you have any...)away from you.
Please link me to your source for this claim. Of all the articles I've read so far, this has not been stated. Many people have stated this as their opinion but opinions are not necessarily facts.
And why would you wish such a thing?
Yes.
You can’t know which ones are being abused until you investigate the matter.
You stated that child rape constituted the probable cause for the mass seizure of 416 children. I can only take that to mean that you assume that every one of 416 children were in imminent danger of being raped. So CPS "investigated" for their alloted 14 days. What evidence was adduced at that cattle call hearing to justify your assumption that every one of 416 children was in imminent danger of being raped? How could is it even possible that such evidence could be adduced, absent individual hearings?
The railroading transfer of custody and relocation of these children is already well under way. I can only assume by your lack of a response to my last two questions that you think a State should be permitted to seize, transfer custody and relocate, without an individual hearing, any child of rape victims who have reached legal adulthood, and that you think the State should be permitted to seize, transfer custody and relocate children en masse without any individual hearings.
Maybe it's true that we get the kind of government we deserve. Unwilling to have and enforce traditional criminal laws against fornication and adultery we end up with an overreaching, incompentent, unrestrained, Nanny State abitrarily power-riding roughshod over the traditional protections of due process in a futile attempt to stem the tide of chaos, all the while creating more of it.
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
Cordially,
Well, enough people asked “what is THAT”, so I figgered it was time to switch.
“I think the issue is the fact that the mothers are refusing to say who is the natural mother of which child. I think the issue is also the women do not know who is the natural mother of which child.”
BINGO! We have a winner!!!
Also at question is, who are the fathers? Where did each child come from? Were they taken away from their real parents at other sect compounds out of state or out of country?
so that idiots like you understand.....
I hope you realize I only posted that to you because you posted this thread- not because I think you are guilty of those things. I posted that as a tongue in cheek reminder that flame wars are usually started by silly accusations and this topic has had that happen more often than most. This was a little over the top- don't you think?--If you are against rescuing these children from people who are enslaving them and often raping them, then one way or another, you are helping their victimizers. Period. you really should take the time to read my posts before posting something like that to me.
LOL you were careful to say "on this thread" of course the answer was zero when I made the post- these threads are full of all of what I posted though, you have to admit that. I've been on a lot of hot button threads since I have been on FR, and someone must have set aside basic posting rules just for this topic. Many have a hard time seperating facts from speculation- I am not sure why either- because the facts that are out there about this group are bad enough, and need no embelishment. All interesting topics are speculated on and I have no issue with that, we all like to speculate on things and some of our thoughts turn out to be true and some not in the end- but there has been a lot posted as fact by some that is speculation and rumor and if that is pointed out (as is the norm on FR) the attack is on. I also have never seen such reactions to questions. I think most of us actually agree on a lot of the ins and outs of this case, but on most threads that is lost in the shuffle as the attacks begin.
There are many interesting parts in this case- beyond the serious issues of child sexual assult, child abuse, and other illegal activities. Legal issues in this case will wander into new uncharted territory and whether anyone wants to admit that or not precedents will be set that will be used on down the line against other groups and individuals. That can be good or bad, and remains to be seen which it is. CPS has powers that LEOs don't have, and many don't understand that aspect- it doesn't mean they are an idiot- and it is hard to educate anyone after you have insulted them. It is hard to discuss this part of the case, some are fixated on the main issues- which is fine, but they don't seem willing to let others discuss what interests them about the case. The DNA issue will be interesting too- legally and scientifically- this case just has a lot of sub-topics that are ripe for discussion other than the basic focus.
Speaking only for myself now, I agree that something had to be done to protect the children in this case- I do believe there is evidence that Texas laws have been broken and of course that is being addressed by the officials in Texas. The children are in my opinion the most important part of this case- but in my mind since they have been removed from the situation then I feel free to discuss other issues- if I am allowed to.
I am not clear in my own mind about the way this was all handled and I think most of my questions will be answered as this plays out. This was a very drastic action, no question about it, and it is startling to us when our government makes a big move like that. I don't know enough about the law or the facts of the case to know whether anything was done wrong or not- but it is a concern of mine and should be at least in everyone's mind a little unsettling.
You are working hard, and doing a good job at gathering the info. out there into one spot, and for that I thank you!
There will be “individual hearings” as soon as names, ages, and parents are sorted out. The cult hasn’t been particularly cooperative in this effort. Each child currently is represented by his or her own lawyer, and it will be sorted out. None of the children are being held out of state, and they can all be returned, if that’s the court’s decision, and if (big IF) they can figure out which parents are the real parents. (Not the “spiritual parents.”)
Well, if you have a complaint about another thread, I don’t think it belongs here. Just sayin’.
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