Texas court: State can take sect children to foster homes

You forgot the due process argument;

No, I didn't. I assumed, apparently wrongly, that no one would be dense enough to try it after all the times that links to all the warrants were published here.

Not only that, the fact that hundreds of pro bono attorneys are representing those removed from the compound, representing them individually, would seem to indicate to a rational person that care was being taken not only in the civil child endangerment cause, but the parental/state custodial disagreement as well.

All those objecting on 4th amendment grounds, search and seizure, due process, etc., have yet to point out exactly where due process was violated, except for trumpeting the very shaky "fruit of the poison tree" argument regarding the 33 yo mentally ill woman's calls. Unfortunately when they do that, they are ignoring all the other substantiated allegations of child endangerment and parental custodial irregularities, which are now, at the judge's order, being sorted out.

I have no doubt that criminal charges will be forthcoming, and further, I have no doubt that the FLDS challenges to the removal of the minors from the ranch will come to nothing.

I assumed, apparently wrongly, that no one would be dense enough to try it after all the times that links to all the warrants were published here....the fact that hundreds of pro bono attorneys are representing those removed from the compound, representing them individually, would seem to indicate to a rational person that care was being taken not only in the civil child endangerment cause, but the parental/state custodial disagreement as well.

I did not object on 4th Amendment grounds, although those issues may (or may not) come back to haunt them in criminal prosecutions. Call me dense if you want, but I am objecting to the mass seizure and transfer of custody without individual hearings, which you tacitly admit was done on "allegations of child endangerment and parental custodial irregularities, which are now, at the judge's order, being sorted out." [emphasis mine]. In other words, you are admitting that that the "sorting out" is after the fact of the rubber stamp order of transfer of custody, and not based on evidence adduced at individual hearings, which would have been impossible at that "hearing". It's ass backwards, and I'm sure the children's attorneys are just thrilled at the legal prospect of trying to get individual custody back months or years after the fact.

I suppose I should learn not to be shocked that such a brazen backwards power play can be pulled off in America with nary the batting of an eye, and that a heavy handed state further compounding the trauma of the overwhelming majority of the children who were not in imminent danger for the crimes of their scoundrel fathers is really no big deal, except to those victims further abused by it.

Cordially,

Well then by your logic this coming crack down on the FLDS should have taken place a long time before now and if, by your ascertations, ALL (note the absolute I used) All the people here were needing to “change their spots,” then the children are also guilty. After all baby leopards grow into big leopards. Again your logic is undeniably......staggering! Keep swinging slugger.
So I guess the broad brush was needed. I have been convinced by your masterful combination of wit, “logic,” and scripture!\sarc

It should have happened a long time ago because the evidence gathered just recently does show that nothing has changed, in about 100 years or so. It should have happened at the very latest when Warren Jeffs was convicted.

You can’t assign guilt before the act.

Your conclusion that the children are guilty is as twisted as anything else you’ve posted.

I only posted your logic so, who is twisted? You are the one who needs to explain yourself and what was meant by the scripture quote. By the use of scripture, you branded the children and therefore need to post what was meant by the quote, not deferring explanation to me so you can hide behind 1/2 truths. Just answer honestly....that is all anybody would ask.

“Verified the original phone call from another state, to start with.”

Which phone call? The first, or the second?

The ‘hoax’ call, along with other phone calls, other complaints from women who had escaped, information from an inside informant, and the results of four years of investigation, were what prompted the ‘raid’.

So, it's not just one phone call.

It's useless to present the truth to those whose ability to reason cannot get past the "phone call".

YES! It may have been, or probably was, a hoax. Why would any believe that Texas removed 400 children from this compound on the basis of one phone call?

They had to strongly suspect, or know, that children were being indoctrinated, from an early age, to live the lifestyle decreed by the "Prophet".

There is a huge difference between those in a free society having sex and babies outside of marriage, and those who are so indoctrinated that they have no choice. Neither is right, but it amounts to mixing apples and oranges.

I, also, am tired of reading these repetitive, yet illogical claims.

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