Vanity: Strategy should Obama/Clintoon win in Nov.

bushfamfan | 5/7/08 | bushfamfan

[bushfamfan]

Considering this election has left us with less than desirable 'choices' for President and the GOP has gone more and more to the left, there is a strong possibility that come November we will be stuck with a Clintoon or Obama presidency. Now I ask what happens when they are in office and what conservatives should do in response to them and if it is really healthy to prevent them from being exposed as the danger they are to this country?

[mockinbird]

Yeah, left wing Dems are for the poor. BS, they just want power.
It’s like if I say, I’m for garden tools, when what I’m after is ripe vegetables; or, I want to help the dollar bills, when I’m seriously after bacon and eggs and toast in a fancy hotel dining room.

[Jim W N]

Just look at Hillary's pictures (or listen to her or even read what she says) and tell me why anybody would want to vote for this odious lady. There's no way she's going to make it to the White House, although I think Obamanation will be easier for McCain to beat. Obama's been a flash-in-the-pan wonder and a fascination, but this is beginning to give way to what's really there and the American people will not have it. The only reason he's beating Hillary is because she's Hillary. The Republican nominee will be the next POTUS.

To look at it another way, whatever happens, the Dem Convention will be Daffy Duck and Porky Pig in a Looney-Tune get-together of red-diaper-doper-baby (as a certain celeb calls them) adult children. McCain against Daffy or Porky. To take the comic-book character analogy a step further, McCain might as well be Alfred E. Newman saying, “What me worry?”. America isn’t ready (yet) for Daffy or Porky. The Republican nominee be it McCain , Alfred or whoever, will be the next President.

[bushfamfan]

The one thing I can say for McCain is that he does love his country. You cannot say that about Demonrats. They love themselves first and foremost. I can see McCain being good on protecting this country and taking on our enemies, but other than that he is atrocious. But dealing with our national security is reason enough for me to vote for him.

[bushfamfan]

Let me make this clear: THE ONLY THING REPUBLICANS, CONSERVATIVES SHOULD DO TO OBSTRUCT THE DEMONRATS IS TO ATTEMPT TO DENY THEM APPOINTING JUDGES. Other than that, GIVE THEM THE POLICIES AND PUT AN END TO THE MYTH. They need to be exposed. The media and Demonrats have played it up in that Demonrats are so great and have all the answers and Bush is evil and conservatives want to make more poor people.

[Fee]

The answer for the GOP is to stabilize the social economical structure of this nation in order to keep the blue collar Dems voters (Reagan Dems). There is nothing wrong with free trade and globalism if the process was not on an accelerated pace and placing all the trust in the judgement of investment bankers and financiers. The US had not fully digested the affects of NAFTA, we add WTO and MFN (largest cheap labor vs our manufacturing base), and GWB wants to add more trade agreements. I have not started on the affects of H-1B workers and open borders policy of GOP. The empty manufacturing and mill towns of the US are now joining with the uneasiness of the service and high tech workers, and they are starting to lash out in this election. Add onto this the insecurity from terrorism and paying for an insurgency war in Iraq. I think a chunk of the American public wants to get off the high speed lane for a while. Most of them may not agree with Obama but he is the only one that will club the free traders, the job outsourcers, the globalist, get us out of Iraq and the GOP who was in charge the last eight years. They will deal with Obama’s socialist policies and illegal immigration amnesty down the road, but today they want the globalist out and the American crusade on hold.

[LiberConservative]

When I voted for Bush I thought I was voting for a Republican. Who knows? I'm voting for Juan McCain - knowing he's a RINO in a lot of respects - but could very well turn out to be more Republican than Bush. At least McCain doesn't have Karl Rove dictating his policies and campaign. I will vote for McCain. Enthusiastically.

[Always Right]

Let me make this clear: THE ONLY THING REPUBLICANS, CONSERVATIVES SHOULD DO TO OBSTRUCT THE DEMONRATS IS TO ATTEMPT TO DENY THEM APPOINTING JUDGES.

Has never happened and won't happen. If Ruth Bater Ginsburg of the ACLU can win 96-3 when the GOP controlled things, what in the world are they gonna do as the minority. Nothing. As much as the liberal media liked to hype how much the GOP did to stop Clinton from loading up the courts, it pales in comparison to what Democrats do to stop conservatives.

[BunnySlippers]

Vote for McCain.

If for no other reason than the Supreme Court noms. Anything else is silly.

[bushfamfan]

What you don’t realize is that their policies would finally expose them. The slippery slope is already here. The charade continues. They promise everybody flowers and sunshine and continue on with their lies and have the media there to back their every move. Not so good when they are given the opportunity to show what their policies do and it isn’t what they promised. People would be calling for their heads if they see what the consequences are of these liberal policies. I want them destroyed and I see no other alternative with the indoctrination in schools and tv, magazines, etc.

[Nachum]

OK, here's a scenario for conservatives...

Say for a moment Obama wins. What can we expect?

Taxes on Americans are raised

Socialized medicine is rammed through congress as the government takes over one seventh of the country's economy. Massive layoffs occur in the insurance industry, causing a recession in New York, Illinois, Florida, and California.

National gun control laws are erected prohibiting ownership.

A full scale pull-out from Afghanistan and Iran.

Homeland Security is reduced or eliminated/

Gitmo is closed.

Terrorists are emboldened world wide.

Jews are threatened with their physical safety in the United States as a green light is given to Jew Haters to verbally and then physically attack. Incidents of violence against Jews massively increase.

A full scale riot (pogrom) occurs in one Jewish area in Brooklyn, Chicago, or Los Angeles.

America arms the Arabs of Gaza and Judea and Samaria with new tanks, rockets and state of the art offensive weapons.

The barrier walls between the Jews and Arabs is forced down, terror attacks appear instantly and hundreds of Jews die in bombings.

America stands down as Israel's protector.

Israel is pressured to give back all of the Golan..., all of Judea and Samaria.

Hundreds of thousands of Jews are displaced at the point of a gun.

The Arab nations mass for war with Israel.

Seeing America's weakness, Moslems in Europe riot for Sharia Law in France.

Riots occur in England.

Russia decides it is too dangerous to leave their neighbors alone and return in military force to smaller former soviet controlled areas of eastern Europe. The cold war begins again in earnest...

The United States suffers a large scale bombing on the scale of the Oklahoma bombing.

Interest rates are raised and inflation reminiscent of the Carter years returns.

Want to see Obama as president now?

[BBell]

You left out all aid is suspended from Columbia while Hugo rearms and finances the FARC while the U.S. stands by. The FARC with Hugo's help invade splitting the country of Columbia and setting up their own marxist regime.

[nascarnation]

Don’t forget eliminating secret ballot elections for unionizing and allowing “card check” approval.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Now I ask what happens when they are in office and what conservatives should do in response to them and if it is really healthy to prevent them from being exposed as the danger they are to this country?

Owing to dysgenic fertility and the graying of the baby boomers, the USA will begin to disintegrate no later than about 2020.

This [the disintegration] is going to happen, and, at this point, there is nothing anyone can do about it - no politician, no statesman, no preacher, no captain of industry - nobody.

Now Obama is a crypto-Maoist, and, if elected, his legislative program will move the USA a little closer [okay, a lot closer] to a totalitarian, command economy, and so he might speed up the clock a little, so that we might begin to see [anti-] civic chaos and social breakdown in the 2012-2014 timeframe.

But even Obama's effect on our situation will only be marginal; there is nothing anyone can do to avert the blossoming of our nascent demographic disaster:

Senior benefit costs rise 24% since 2000
By Dennis Cauchon>
February 13, 2008
usatoday.com

The cost of government benefits for seniors soared to a record $27,289 per senior in 2007, according to a USA TODAY analysis...

The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer
by Robert E. Rector and Christine Kim
May 21, 2007
heritage.org

...When the costs of direct and means-tested benefits, education, and population-based services are counted, the average low-skill household had a fiscal deficit of $19,588 (expenditures of $30,160 minus $10,573 in taxes)...

Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are Minorities
By D'Vera Cohn and Tara Bahrampour
Wednesday, May 10, 2006; Page A01
washingtonpost.com

...Forty-five percent of U.S. children younger than 5 are minorities...

Statistical Abstract of the United States
Section 1, Population
[see especially Table 8 & Table 9, pages 11-13]
PDF FILE: pop.pdf

 
Circa 2020, every young Caucasian worker [from high school dropouts, to PhD's] will have to come up with $27,289 + $19,588 = $46,877 just to fund government benefits for their [Caucasian] parents and for their counterparts in the minority community.

And that figure of $46,877 doesn't include anything for the Department of Defense, the Department of Transportation, the Department of the Interior, the Army Corps of Engineers, the Department of Energy, the National Institutes of Health [NIH], the Centers for Disease Control [CDC], etc, etc, etc.

I.e. there will be no military, no roads, no bridges, no canals, no health research, no vaccination programs, no electrical grid, no water treatment facilities, no nothing.

And, of course, after ponying up $46,877 to old people and minorities, the typical young Caucasian worker will have little [if any] money left over for his own food, utilities, gasoline, clothing, rent, or, God forbid, mortgage payment - not to mention wife or children.

So either young, productive Caucasians will work as slaves to old people & minorities [and continue to go barren, because they can't afford children of their own], or else young, productive Caucasians will revolt, and we will have something akin to a Civil War.

As conservatives, our duty now is to chart a course for survival in the post-USA years - the years after the USA has dissolved and disintegrated and many of the various remnants resemble Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe or Fidel Castro's Cuba.

So prepare accordingly.

[Beagle8U]

“Give them the policies and destroy the Demonrats. Otherwise they will continue to prevail with this charade”

And when the nation is destroyed they can say...”Republicans thought it was a good idea because they voted for it too.”!

[cake_crumb]

Wow, an open invitation to an all out, nuclear flame war, and here I sit with no popcorn.

[myself6]

Heh..

What freedom?

What freedom would be lost that isnt already lost?

Im sick of people saying that what we have now is freedom. Get a a f-—ing clue! This is not freedom, you and your property are owned and regulated by your local, state and federal government. You are NOT a free.

But that doesn’t matter does it? As long as you keep dumbing down the meaning of freedom.

This is sickening.

[cake_crumb]

Agreed. Of all the terrible legislation passed by congress every year, what proportion is ever repealed?

[Hildy]

And all that...AFTER 8 YEARS OF A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.

[popdonnelly]

“A better solution is to fight them tooth and nail.”

That’s the only solution.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

May extreme guilt and shame be heaped upon you! Now, go drink your Koolaid like a good little Repubican! The RNC has a plan for YOU..... Just do as they say and shut up!