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Obama Needs a History Lesson (Excellent read!)
realclearpolitics.com ^ | May 09, 2008 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 05/09/2008 6:23:24 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: Eye On The Left
“But we have an enormous number of Americans either not getting the news they need to know and/or too dumb to understand it even when they do get it.”

And I don't concern myself too much with them because they are also probably too lazy to get off the couch and go vote.LOL

Just look at the small percentage of registered American voters who actually vote much less those who are even registered to vote!!! It's embarrassing! They had a better turn out in Iraq!

41 posted on 05/09/2008 9:22:24 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

That was Santayana who authored that phrase, tho’ Winnie may have repeated it.


42 posted on 05/09/2008 9:28:12 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: The_Reader_David
The ChiComs (now actually fascist, rather than really communist) are still a danger, but that’s the next war, and if we stop being a**es toward Russia, one in which Russia could be turned into an ally, rather than an enemy.

Russia, allied with the U.S. against China?? And you think I'M confused??

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order." http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html

From the Russian News and Information Agency:
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html

From National Public Radio (NPR):
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

U.S. Navy Intercepts Russian Bombers Flying Near Ships
Monday, February 11, 2008
WASHINGTON (Associated Press) U.S. fighter planes intercepted two Russian bombers flying unusually close to an American aircraft carrier in the western Pacific during the weekend, The Associated Press has learned.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330362,00.html

43 posted on 05/09/2008 9:30:50 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: kellynla

I’m surprised that everyone has forgotten all those summit conferences where FDR and Hitler posed for photos shaking hands, and where Eleanor and Eva Braun kissed each other on the cheek.

Actually, there was a leader who followed Obama’s advice. His name was Neville Chamberlain, and his “peace in our time” initiatives only encouraged Adolf to be even more aggressive and brutal.


44 posted on 05/09/2008 9:32:54 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: The_Reader_David

“Wright/Obama will wear thin by Nov.?”

not necessarily...the ads won’t start until Sept.
so a good 8 weeks of pounding and Obama’s head will be so far up his rear, he won’t know what hit him! LOL

“The 527’s better pick up on O’s connections with William Ayers and Dorothy Tillman (3rd Ward Assemblyman, that Obama endorsed), and hit the airwaves with those, as well.”

Oh, I’m sure they will not be forgotten. BIG SMILE

The 527’s will hand Obama his arse before this election is over!


45 posted on 05/09/2008 9:38:46 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Eye On The Left
... we have an enormous number of Americans either not getting the news they need to know and/or too dumb to understand it even when they do get it.

IMHO, it's a combo. The Imperial Federal Government School System has been dumbing down the American citizenry for at least 40 years, maybe longer. That's the first part.

The second is, as a result of the dumbing down, a change in people's mental priorities. They have a very hard time dealing with complicated stuff like socialism (which they unknowingly understand very well as a result of their education) vs. democracy (which, for the same reason, they know little about).

IMHO, consider that it is entirely possible Obama does not know that he speaks gibberish. And the people he's speaking to, in their dumbed down state, don't recognize it as such. They just know that it "sounds good."

Sad.

Obama sprays the roses and lollipops Kool-Aid. And the people, in their dumbed down state, suck it up, roll around in it, take showers in it and drink it like it's water.

IMHO, McCain's most difficult job will be trying to get these poor people to see the truth. I fear they will refuse simply because they can't understand it.

Pray for our poor country.

46 posted on 05/09/2008 9:59:15 AM PDT by upchuck (Who wins doesn't matter. They're all liberals. Spend your time and money to take back Congress.)
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To: upchuck; All
You're exactly right on every count. Since communism is 'too complicated' to talk about, hosts such as Sean Hannity, O'Reilly and Rush just ignore it (foolishly assuming they know beans about it themselves). This is dangerous because the movement is very much alive and well today. They still run the bogus "anti-war" movement, with large coaltions such as United for Peace and Justice (Communist Party USA), A.N.S.W.E.R. and Troops Out Now (Workers World Party) and World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime (Revolutionary Communist Party). The groups still get a total pass from the head-up-their-butt media (FoxNews included) as to who and what the organizers of these groups are. Dumbed down is being too kind.
47 posted on 05/09/2008 10:35:14 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: kellynla

FDR chatted with Stalin at the Yalta Conference in 1945.

If that's his idea of a hero or role model, he really needs to starting studying History more carefully.

48 posted on 05/09/2008 11:51:38 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Eye On The Left

Thanks!


49 posted on 05/09/2008 11:58:28 AM PDT by upchuck (Who wins doesn't matter. They're all liberals. Spend your time and money to take back Congress.)
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To: kellynla
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." "

Actually, it was George Santayana who said that. Churchill did say this, however:

"When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new to the story. It is as old as the Sibylline Books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong — these are the features which constitute the endlless repetition of history." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons, March 19, 1935.
Churchill - The Last Lion Roars.

50 posted on 05/09/2008 1:40:47 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: MrB
Re: In defending his stated intent to meet with America's enemies without preconditions, Sen. Obama said: "I trust the American people to understand that it is not weakness, but wisdom to talk not just to our friends, but to our enemies, like Roosevelt did, and Kennedy did, and Truman did."

Just more proof this dumb sumbitch would get us nuked big-time in no-time flat!


51 posted on 05/09/2008 5:35:26 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: kellynla

In 1936, Adolf Hitler decided to test the will of the Allies by invading the demilitarized Rhineland between France and Germany in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Since the relatively weak German army was in no condition to face off against the then much more powerful French army, and since he only sent in a few battalions, he had instructed his commanders to retreat should they meet any resistance.

There was an anti-Hitler movement in Germany at that time led by the former chief of the German general staff, Ludwig Beck. Beck and his fellow co-conspirators were planning on the Allies resisting yielding the Sudetenland to Hitler in 1938 during the Sudeten Crisis. The group of plotters around Colonel General Ludwig Beck consisted of Generals Erich Höpner and Carl-Heinrich von Stülpnagel, General von Witzleben, and Abwehr Chief Wilhelm Canaris. These men planned to overthrow Hitler in a military coup d’état, which seemed feasible at the time of the Sudeten Crisis in 1938. Von Witzleben’s command, through the key Berlin Defence District, was to play a decisive role in the plan. However, Hitler’s success in the Munich Agreement thwarted the conspirators’ plans, and they were not put into operation.

Hitler’s successful coup at Munich and the Allies repeated spinlessnesss only enhanced his popularity almongst the German people and nullified the plot against him. France could have chosen to shed puddles of blood and probably stop a madman in 1936. Instead they took the cowardly way out and required the world to shed oceans of blood to do so.
Ditto with Neville Chamberlin’s pusillanomous vacillation with Hitler and Mussolini.

Flash forward to today. Saddam Hussein violated the armistice that he signed (as Hitler violated Versailles)when he lost the Gulf War in 1991, the part that required him to allow United Nations weapons inspectors unfettered access. We now know that Saddam Hussein intended to continue to try to obtain weapons of mass destruction, another violation of the armistice, and that George Bush’s actions against Saadam may have prevented another conflagration on the scale of a World War III.
We are fortunate that George Bush was made of sterner stuff than the 1930’s appeaswers.

We don’t need this modern day appeaser Obama anywhere NEAR the levers of diplomatic power.


52 posted on 05/09/2008 7:56:47 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: BeAllYouCanBe

The ascendancy of Barack He Whose Middle Name May Not Be Spoken Obama is the realization of the efforts of all the Cultural Marxists whose ideas were nurtured by the Gramcians who set up the Frankfurt School and spawned cultural radicals like Erich Fromm, Herbert Marcuse, and Theodore Adorno. Their intellectual progeny are thoroughly ensconced in the MSM, academia, Hollywood, and most importantly in the George Soros directed modern day Democratic Party which is the nest for all the Vipers on the left, the racial identity determininists, the radical feminists, the sexual deviationist lobby, the “watermelon” environmentalists, the open borders crowd and the anti-war seditionists who seek to steal from our magnificent armed forces the victory that they have earned with their blood and valor in the SAME MANNER as they stole our hard earned victory from those of us who are Vietnam vets.
Their apotheosis is the religion of Obama, the Lucifer deceiver who would lead this great nation to Fabian Socialist HELL!!!
Should Barack He Whose Middle Name May Not Be Spoken Obama get a compliant Democrat Congress and Senate, the damage done to this country and to liberty as we have known it, would be incalculable. He is the most dangerous presidential candidates since Henry Wallace. Please check this link. It will tell you all that you need to know. There is credible info that could lead one to believe that his Indonesian stepfather to him to Mosque with the intent of making him Muslim. His own campaign said in a LA Time article that he was never a REGULARLY practicing Muslim, leading one to infer that he was an IRREGULARLY practicing Muslim. That is enough for the Muzzies to convict him as an apostate or to accept him as one of the faithful deceiving the dhimmis. Check the years 1971-1973 at the link below.
http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm


53 posted on 05/09/2008 8:03:39 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: kellynla

BTTT!


54 posted on 05/10/2008 11:49:35 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
FDR chatted with Stalin at the Yalta Conference in 1945. If that's his idea of a hero or role model, he really needs to starting studying History more carefully.

Stalin was our ally in WWII. A nasty ally. But an ally nonetheless.

55 posted on 05/11/2008 5:35:42 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
Yeah. The people of Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia found it all very amusing.

As did the Communist agents who infiltrated the U.S. diplomatic team that redrew the map of Europe at the conference.

56 posted on 05/11/2008 8:15:17 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Yeah. The people of Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia found it all very amusing. As did the Communist agents who infiltrated the U.S. diplomatic team that redrew the map of Europe at the conference.

I have no difference with you on this. My response was to the article, which said that FDR met with our enemies and so it is OK for Obama to meet with NK or Iranian leaders--not a defense of Stalin or of FDR's wisdom in allowing the communists in his administration control the negotiations.

The point relevant to this thread is that FDR did not meet or negotiate with Hitler or the Emperor of Japan. He did meet with Stalin, who would soon be our enemy. But at the time they met. He was our ally.

57 posted on 05/11/2008 8:37:00 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
"He was our ally."

Was FDR?

58 posted on 05/11/2008 11:28:09 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Eye On The Left; neverdem; kellynla; All

Thanks for the links; ping; thread. Great thread. BTTT!


59 posted on 05/12/2008 6:14:08 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Malone LaVeigh

you are too generous.

it is a tricycle. (with a girl’s flower basket)


60 posted on 05/12/2008 6:21:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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