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Firearms Microstamping Feasible But Variable, Study Finds
ScienceDaily ^ | May 16, 2008 | ScienceDaily

Posted on 05/16/2008 4:55:29 AM PDT by Brilliant

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I'm surprised the libs support this. It does nothing to get guns off the street. All it does is help put criminals in jail. It's diametrically opposite everything they stand for.

On the other hand, they don't seem to be pushing it too hard.

1 posted on 05/16/2008 4:55:29 AM PDT by Brilliant
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"In October 2007, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law AB 1471, requiring that all new models of semiautomatic pistols sold in California on or after Jan. 1, 2010, be engraved in two or more places with an identifying code that is transferred to the cartridge case on firing. Similar legislation has been proposed in other states and at the federal level."

Terminator guns were exempted.


2 posted on 05/16/2008 4:58:18 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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It’s about the money.

The company that holds the patent is giving heavily to the D’s.


3 posted on 05/16/2008 4:58:55 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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Aw jeez, not this $#!+ again....
4 posted on 05/16/2008 5:01:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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Why are you so surprised? Registration of ammunition is just one giant step towards the real objective of registering firearms.


5 posted on 05/16/2008 5:04:00 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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No, it's about banning guns indirectly, by the back door.

Its purpose is to make gun ownership such a hassle to keep in compliance with a myriad of laws, and such a risk of becoming a felon by accident or oversight, that people just quit buying or owning them.


6 posted on 05/16/2008 5:04:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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The first quote on my FR profile page applies here.

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

- Ayn Rand, ‘Atlas Shrugged’ 1957


7 posted on 05/16/2008 5:06:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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The law is designed to make guns more expensive or even unavailable if industry is unable to comply with the micro stamping requirement. It’s gun control by other means.


8 posted on 05/16/2008 5:09:19 AM PDT by saganite
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I suspect that if they have that microstamp, they could track the firearm anyway, without registration, thru the dealer network, assuming that it was not transferred illegally, or thru a private transaction.

I don’t have any problem with gun regulations that only impact criminals. The real challenge, though, is to actually put the thugs in jail once you’ve caught them. If you’re not going to do that, then what’s the point of the microstamp?


9 posted on 05/16/2008 5:16:22 AM PDT by Brilliant
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“More testing in a wider range of firearms is needed, the researchers said.”

Why am I not surprised?


10 posted on 05/16/2008 5:19:13 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Codes engraved on the face of the firing pin could easily be removed with household tools, Beddow found.

When files are outlawed, only criminals will have .....

11 posted on 05/16/2008 5:24:31 AM PDT by TYVets
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Nothing to see here. Move along. Taggants and stamping have been floated since the 1970s. Libs support it because a working system doesn’t exist yet, and won’t by the deadline set of 2010. Can’t make the deadline? Can’t keep your guns. However...
“More testing in a wider range of firearms is needed, the researchers said.” Translation: “We’ll keep flogging this dead horse until we get the results we want.”


12 posted on 05/16/2008 5:26:47 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will Work for Ammo)
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13 posted on 05/16/2008 5:37:10 AM PDT by Bobalu (What do I know, I'm a Typical White Guy)
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Haven’t they ever heard of changing out the firing pin?

Or even (gosh forbid) keeping a few hundred unstamped ones around for “customizing” weapons?

Only the law abiding will be affected - which is likely the very reason this is under consideration. Darn that stoopid old second amendment thingy, anyway!!!


14 posted on 05/16/2008 5:40:13 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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I suggest we micro-stamp CO2 emissions, that way we can fine/imprison polluters, (how do we punish Mount Vesuvius?).

The lack of logic in this exercise amazes me. As if criminals go to teh local gun shop and legally purchase a roscoe, then run out and use it in a crime.

If the study indicates that these markings either wear out rapidly (I shoot approx. 10k rounds per year out of two combat handguns) or can be easily removed (but not easily checked), what value?

When, in the course of human events....

God Bless

Molon Labe


15 posted on 05/16/2008 5:43:22 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) NRA Firearms Instructor "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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“Haven’t they ever heard of changing out the firing pin?”

That would be an easy thing to do, but one thing you notice is that criminals tend to be rather stupid.


16 posted on 05/16/2008 5:45:58 AM PDT by Brilliant
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My point is that the law would be completely ineffective at preventing circumvention by the very nature of firearms. The proponents are moving in for a rhetorical kill that is simply the setup to eventual confiscation - after all, if the other laws didn’t work, then perhaps taking away the gun WOULD!


17 posted on 05/16/2008 5:50:25 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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What value, indeed. Here’s the kicker:

“The researchers did not have access to patented information allowing them to read the bar- or gear-codes, and so could not determine if these remained legible enough to be useful.”

In other words, all that came before was a waste of time, and a shameful waste of printer paper. Meaningless. Why then even bother publishing these “findings” when there were none?


18 posted on 05/16/2008 5:52:31 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will Work for Ammo)
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You’re right and ammo costs a lot more than before already. The international demand for raw materials has caused ammo prices to double from 5 years ago.


19 posted on 05/16/2008 5:53:59 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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Just buff the end of the firing pin with some 400 grit emery cloth and the problem is solved.


20 posted on 05/16/2008 5:58:14 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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