Bush, and His Use of "Appeasement" ("Hitler's demands were not unreasonable"-Barf Alert)

Seattle Times ^ | 5/16/2008 | Bruce Ramsey

[mojito]

Democrats are rebuking President Bush for saying in his speech to the Knesset, here, that to “negotiate with terrorists and radicals” is “appeasement.” The Democrats took it as a slap at Barack Obama. What bothers me is the continual reference to Hitler and his National Socialists, particularly the British and French accommodation at the Munich Conference of 1938.

The narrative we're given about Munich is entirely in hindsight. We know what kind of man Hitler was, and that he started World War II in Europe. From the view of 1938, what Hitler was demanding at Munich was not unreasonable, according to the prevailing idea of the nation-state. His claim was that the German-speaking areas of Europe--and ones that thought of themselves as German --be under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.

[mojito]

From the fever-swamps of moonbat country comes this appalling defense of Obama that figures that Hitler's demands were reasonable, and so are all those of Palestinians calling for Israel's destruction.

[wastedyears]

Cat’s out of the bag.

I hope people e-mail this to everybody. We need to create a hell storm about this.

[Jeff Head]

There are 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan who are eternally greatful that Obama's policies were not in place for the last eight years...they are free to do so now because of Bush.

There has not been a major terror attack on our soil since 911, because of Bush and taking the fight to the enemy on their turf.

...and in the process, Iran, who is the chief sponsor of terror, is surrounded by our forces now, who are ready to attack should we need to.

Obama would have the world still living with Saddam Hussein, and an inabaility for us to respond to either him or Iran, and with terrorists having sanctuary states...and he calls that world safer.

I pray the American people will have the wisdom to see the difference.

AUDACITY OF TRUTH-BARACK CHAMBERLAIN

AUDACITY OF TRUTH-BARACK OBAMA

AUDACITY OF TRUTH-OBAMA'S CIRCLE OF FRIENDS

AUDACITY OF TRUTH-BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY

[Michael.SF.]

So, if we extend this guys logic to the USA, then one must conclude that the formation of Azatlan would be reasonable. It would meet much of the same criteria:

It was once part of Mexico

Spanish is spoken by a significant part of the population.

And many still think of themselves as Mexicans, not Americans.

[Savage Beast]

"The Democrats took it as a slap at Barack Obama."

Looks like Obama's a hit dog. At least the Democrats are saying so.

"There's an old saying in Arkansas: 'If you throw a rock over a fence it's the hit dog that hollers.'"
~Mike Huckabee~

[FFranco]

America doesn’t appease its enemies.

America doesn’t talk with its enemies.

America exterminates its enemies.

[A message]

Dumber than a bag of hammers

Hey, Bruce tell us how those Oslo Accords turned out.

Freakin' idiot.

[SampleMan]

From the view of 1938, what Hitler was demanding at Munich was not unreasonable,...

It was to men of honor and integrity. Check Winston S. Churchill's speeches and notes.

You are supposed to learn from history, but liberals just rewrite history instead.

[Man50D]

From the view of 1938, what Hitler was demanding at Munich was not unreasonable, according to the prevailing idea of the nation-state. His claim was that the German-speaking areas of Europe--and ones that thought of themselves as German --be under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed.

Annexed Austria? Who's this guy trying to kid? Hitler raped Austria! Hitler had a "special ambassador" by the name of Franz von Papen work to undermine the independence of Austria and unify with Nazi Germany since 1936! Austrian Nazis actively created a campaign of terror with daily bombings in some parts of the country and violent Nazi demonstrations in more rural provinces. The Nazis went as far as to assassinate Austrian Chancellor Dr. Kurt von Schuschnigg.

That was thwarted by a raid on Nazi headquarters in Vienna. Documents showed Rudolf Hess ordered Austrian Nazis to stage in open revolt in the spring of 1938. Hitler had Schuschnigg meet him in Germany at Hitler's home in Berchtesgaden where Hitler threatened military action under the pretense of a border dispute if Schuschnigg did not agree to Hitler's terms. Eventually Schuschnigg and other Austrian leaders ceded Austria to Hitler to avoid certain death of many Austrians.

[Man50D]

The Nazis went as far as to assassinate Austrian Chancellor Dr. Kurt von Schuschnigg.

Correction: This should read to plan the assasination.

[Billthedrill]

Mr. Ramsey is apparently serious. I'm sure the Austrians will look kindly upon the notion that Anschluss Österreichs was a "reasonable" demand. Mr. Ramsey may be unacquainted with the history of that part of Europe for the preceding 2000 years but it was not "reasonable" looked at from the perspective of 1938 or 938 or 38 AD.

And he misses the point entirely, which is that negotiating with bullies and aggressive military dictators is a futile and counterproductive process, and that people who do so under the cover of sanctimony and a bloated sense of self-importance deserve the epithet "appeaser." If the shoe fits, Mr. Obama should strap it on.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Even though Hitler wanted to exterminate all of the Jews, his willingness to exterminate only 50% was actually quite reasonable.

[Williams]

If you get into a good argument with a liberal, they will tell you we have been wrong in EVERY war including WW2 and the Revolutionary War. Here is a short list:

Vietnam - Need I say more?

WW1 - We set up the Germans the Lusitania was carrying munitions

WW2 - We caused it by imposing unfair WW1 peace terms on the Germans at Versailles.

Revolutionary War - We were the "terrorsists" because we fought behind trees.

Spanish American War - imperialsit conquest.

Mexican American War - ditto.

Korean War - See Vietnam.

Gulf War/Iraq - Oil.

Bosnia - Oh that one was OK, if they are unwilling to criticize Clinton.

So you see, we have been wrong in every single war.

[facedown]

So, if we extend this guys logic to the USA, then one must conclude that the formation of Azatlan would be reasonable.

Most leftists would agree.

[DustyMoment]

It is to laugh that Obama’s ego has gotten to the point that he thinks this is about him.

“Burp” Hussain Obama apparently hasn’t realized yet that Bush isn’t running in this election.

Of course, he also hasn’t realized that he will be toast about a week after the candidates are selected by their convention and the truth about Obama and his REAL political agenda is revealed.

[sbMKE]

I’m fine with “giving back” California to Mexico and deporting all illegals there regardless of nationality.

[TalBlack]

“The narrative we're given about Munich is entirely in hindsight.”

Utter crap! If this were even REMOTELY true Chamberlain wouldn't have gotten the sack. When Hitler realized he was dealing with self deluding cowards he began his march and never looked back. PLENTY of people at the time knew and said what Hitler was but self deluders don't hear anything they don't want to hear. Just as self deluders don't see History as it is but rather as it serves themselves to see it. Which is why, barring the arrival of some as yet unknown cavalry, it doesn't matter which of The Three Clowns is elected-We're headed into Armageddon, plain and simple.

It ain't 1938 any more.

[Kakaze]

To compare the Palestinians—who are occupied, oppressed, denied, stepped-on—with Hitler’s Germany in 1939 is incredible and ridiculous

Actually, according to this guy "logic" Palestine would be like the the Sudetenland and Achmadenajhad would be Hitler

.......So by his own train of thought, Obama Appeasing Achmadenajhad on Palestine would result in a World War.....did even understand what he wrote....you have to wonder.

[saganite]

Wow. An apologist for Hitler in defense of Hussein. The gift that keeps on giving!

[BenLurkin]

Plus I'm having a hard time seeing how buying peace with Hitler in 1938 would have been anything other than a disaster.

Two things would certainly have happened and a third was a fair possibility:

1) Hitler would have had a free hand to murder millions of Jews, etc. without interference. It seems Mr. Ramsey figures this would have been “reasonable.”.

2) The Nazis would have perfected jet aircraft that would have swept the skies of anything America (and certainly Russia) could send up to challenge them.

3) The Nazis had a shot at producing a working atomic bomb.

All these things Hitler would have had time to accomplish or at least attempt in the years of “peace” resulting from giving in to his megalomaniac demands. WWII would have still happened, the start date would have only been delayed and the Nazis would have been even harder to stop.

And Mr. Ramsey (Obama surrogate) thinks that would have been reasonable.

Sheesh.