Posted on 05/16/2008 8:20:57 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Seattle Times editorial writer Bruce Ramsey, in an effort to defend Barack Obama against President Bush’s “appeasement” speech, actually ends up defending Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler, and the Anschluss (the annexation of Austria): Bush, and His Use of ‘Appeasement’.
Democrats are rebuking President Bush for saying in his speech to the Knesset, here, that to “negotiate with terrorists and radicals” is “appeasement.” The Democrats took it as a slap at Barack Obama. What bothers me is the continual reference to Hitler and his National Socialists, particularly the British and French accommodation at the Munich Conference of 1938.
What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.
We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany’s eastern and western borders had been redrawn 19 years before—and not to its benefit. In the democracies there was some sense of guilt with how Germany had been treated after World War I. Certainly there was a memory of the “Great War.” In 2008, we have entirely forgotten World War I, and how utterly unlike any conception of “The Good War” it was. When the British let Hitler have a slice of Czechoslovakia, they were following their historical wisdom: avoid war. War produces results far more horrible than you expected. War is a bad investment. It is not glorious. Don’t give anyone an excuse to start one.
Wow.
I have a hard time believing that an adult wrote this, let alone an editor of a major newspaper. My high school history teachers (and English teachers) would've been privately amused, before giving "it" a poor grade. Alas, we live in an era when you do not give poor grades "for these sorts of reasons." But, in 1980 "it" was different, lol.
Bruce Ramsey likely learned everything he knows in college, from left-wing professors.
And he has learned absolutely nothing since.
Stunning ignorance. Truly stunning ignorance.
For a sequel, he’ll say it’s not unreasonable for Mexico to reclaim the Southwestern US because there’s a lot of people there who speak Spanish.
They can’t follow this course and have things come out good for them. It may take some time, but they can’t do it for long.
They pick one sliver of information to try to make Hitler sound reasonable. But, Hitler was a mad man and obviously was not about to be appeased - as he did not reveal his real motives for taking over the eastern regions, and also his hatred of Jews, handicapped people, Catholic priests, non-Aryans such as Polish, any Slavs, Gypsies, and also homosexuals.
The writer is an idiot.
“It has reached the point of no return. We are doomed to be conqured by the new facists.”
I think we are doomed to dig a lot of ditches and shoot a lot of traitors.
The liberals will go to any lengths to defend their Messiah.
Jonah Goldberg just wrote a great book explaining how progressivism is American fascism.
I believe him.
Yes, it certainly is.
Negotiating with these types is not the same as negotiation with friends or even neutral parties. It is giving up something to someone who deserves nothing, in return for what should not need to be purchased.
No different than buying back, at a 'bargain price' your own property from a thief, when the proper response is taking what is rightfully yours, and leaving the thief hanging from the nearest tree.
Hitler was just looking for pretexts--if there hadn't been a German-speaking minority in Bohemia, he'd have found some other reason. The border districts are mountainous, so until the Czechs were forced to give them up, they could have made a German invasion very costly.
The French were also involved in the Munich conference.
I just read the comments
They were outstanding.
I could never top them.
I don’t know what is harder to believe, that someone
named Bruce Ramsey wrote this “think-piece” or that a Seattle newspaper published it.
I would advise everyone to read the comments, which obviously come from the last sane people in Seattle.
There are gems of wisdom and insight into the Left scattered throughout.
Springtime for Hitler and Germany.
Hitler actually comes across much the same as the radical islamists, communists, and liberals. He wants complete control, but he nibbles away at it with seemingly innocuous things first. As the appetite grows, so do the demands.
And he has learned absolutely nothing since.
okie01, thanks for the opportunity to throw out my favorite line on these types:
Educated beyond his intelligence!!
The writer in questiion works for the Seattle Times. "Idiot," therefore, is assumed; and "openly treasonous," an easy 60/40 shot. ;)
Bears repeating......
Bruce Ramsey has a long history of this kind of “attitude”
Look up someone named Garet Garrett,who vehemently opposed our going to war against the Nazis in WW2, hated FDR for it, and was part of a collective mind-set that was not much more than a hop, skip and jump away from other social phenomena of that ‘39 -’42 period like the German American Bund. They were not alone either—Joe Kennedy and Lucky Lindy, anyone? Bruce Ramsey , an apparent Libertarian, has also written/reviewed for LewRockwell.com.
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