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Gay Rights vs. Democracy
townhall.com ^ | 5/20 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 05/20/2008 9:12:13 AM PDT by porgygirl

Read the constitution, hold it up to the light, squeeze lemon juice on it--you won't see a right to gay marriage in there. It is simply not an enumerated right, nor is it a right that can be clearly derived from other enumerated rights.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: dsouza; homosexualagenda; judicialactivism; loonyjudges; samesexmarriage
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Political power has its place, and that place is in the legislative and executive domain.
1 posted on 05/20/2008 9:12:13 AM PDT by porgygirl
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To: porgygirl; All
Romans 1:25-27 tells us that same-sex sexual relationships are a consequence of idolatry. In other words, such relationships are a consequence of disobeying the 1ST COMMANDMENT, a major aspect of the GREATEST COMMANDMENT, to love the jealous God with all your being.

Homosexuals need to keep in mind, however, that the good news of the gospel is not about how God despises same-sex sexual relationships. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 indicates that certain members of that church had been slaves to such relationships but had been cleansed in Jesus' name. So these former homosexuals had evidently repented and accepted God's grace to straighten their lives out.

John 3:16
Revelation 3:20

2 posted on 05/20/2008 9:17:21 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: porgygirl

Judges: “Constitution, we don’t need no stinking Constitution.”


3 posted on 05/20/2008 9:17:39 AM PDT by NTHockey
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To: porgygirl

That, and the 5th Commandment reads:

“Honor thy Father and thy Mother.”

Not “thy Father and thy other Father.” Nor “thy Mother and thy other Mother.”


4 posted on 05/20/2008 9:19:27 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: NTHockey

Judges: The U.S. Constitution is a living document, and we can kill it.


5 posted on 05/20/2008 9:21:38 AM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: porgygirl

You know there is a reason the state is involved in marriage (licenses, divorce courts etc.). None of those reasons apply in even the smallest way to any sort of relationship between two men.


6 posted on 05/20/2008 9:23:34 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: porgygirl
Homosexuality ... just one of the many scourges of a diseased society.


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

7 posted on 05/20/2008 9:30:33 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: porgygirl
It is the essence of democracy that people should be able to decide the moral rules that govern the nature of a community. If people don't have that power, then they are living under an autocracy.
No, Mr. D'Souza. If the people don't have the power to legislate other people's morality, that is called "liberty."

Dinesh D'Souza wrote a book in which he claimed that the Islamists would stop attacking us if we would just put our women in burkas and stop drinking alcohol. This article is a continuation of that argument.

8 posted on 05/20/2008 9:42:52 AM PDT by tvdog12345
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To: porgygirl

California is an evolving Marxist, statist regime in our midst, and this ruling only solidifies the trend.


9 posted on 05/20/2008 9:49:26 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: G.Mason

Haven’t they been around all through history and in all societies?


10 posted on 05/20/2008 9:53:08 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: tvdog12345
Yep. That's one reason why the Founders of the American REPUBLIC had no use for "democracy" and correctly understood it to be a veneer over rule by the mob.

Somebody paid Dinesh D'Appeaser to write this tripe? With actual money?

11 posted on 05/20/2008 9:56:53 AM PDT by steve-b (The "intelligent design" hoax is not merely anti-science; it is anti-civilization. --John Derbyshire)
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To: puroresu
"California fill in the blank is an evolving Marxist, statist regime in our midst, and this ruling only solidifies the trend."
12 posted on 05/20/2008 9:59:01 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: porgygirl
Dennis Prager, Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality
13 posted on 05/20/2008 10:02:15 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: stuartcr

It is plain to see that there is nothing in the law or the constitution that would lead the judges to conclude that homosexual marriage must be the public policy of the state of Calif. They made up a new right to same sex marriage.

And it’s plain to see that whether to have homosexual marriage is a POLICY judgement, not a CIVIL RIGHTS judgement.

Decisions like this can, over time, erode public confidence in law and order and the judicial system, because the decision is so obviously not based on interpreting the existing law and constitution.

Then you could argue, why even have a legislature, why have the provision for public votes through initiatives, and why have a governor? Since judges are just going to make decisions anyway, all we need are judges.

And this case and similar cases show that all you have to do to side step the legislative process is make something a civil right, gets judges to agree, and your policy becomes the law of the land.

We’re having an ongoing debate in the pres. campaign about universal health insurance. Can you imagine somebody will be inspired to file a lawsuit, and get a judge to declare that healthcare is a civil right? Suppose somebody gets inspired to file lawsuits about the environment and global warming, and get a judge to find a civil rights violation somewhere? Then the matter is under the jurisdiction of courts, not the legislative process.

This case has ramifications beyond homosexual marriage and homosexual civil rights, because of the absurd legal reasoning used to reach the conclusion.


14 posted on 05/20/2008 10:02:57 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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"Read the constitution, hold it up to the light, squeeze lemon juice on it--you won't see a right to gay marriage in there. It is simply not an enumerated right, nor is it a right that can be clearly derived from other enumerated rights."

Dinesh, you miserable little jackass, rights don't COME FROM the Constitution, they are GUARANTEED BY the Constitution. Rights COME FROM the simple fact of existence. They're inherent, inalienable.

“The Framers of the Bill of Rights did not purport to 'create' rights. Rather, they designed the Bill of Rights to prohibit our Government from infringing rights and liberties presumed to be preexisting.”
- US Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan, Jr.

Free people have the fundamental right to whatever familial and financial arrangements best suit their desires and happiness.

What they don't have a right to is the legal recognition and acceptance of such arrangements and the accrual of legal benefits as a result of that recognition. What they don't have a right to is changing the law by changing the meaning of a word, rather than changing it through the legislative process.

15 posted on 05/20/2008 10:04:02 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Yep, you’re right.


16 posted on 05/20/2008 10:08:56 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: porgygirl; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe
Political power has its place, and that place is in the legislative and executive domain.

That is such a great line, and such a great summary. You are awarded the "best line of the day" award so far as I'm concerned.

Excellent. Thanks.

17 posted on 05/20/2008 10:09:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Amendment10

Our Constitution never refers to the Bible.


18 posted on 05/20/2008 10:09:36 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: porgygirl

Read the constitution, hold it up to the light, squeeze lemon juice on it—you won’t see a right to gay marriage in there. It is simply not an enumerated right, nor is it a right that can be clearly derived from other enumerated rights

So what?
You can do all those things and not find the section that claims seperation of Church and State either yet our Politicians and Media hold that as a sacred truth
You will not find the right to kill your unborn baby, but our Politicians and Media hold that out as a Constitutional right
You will not find the section that denies your right a firearm if you ive in Washington DC as compared to Sweetwater Texas either. Yet our Polticians and Media seem to see that.....
As long as cizens allow these epopel to see the Constitution in whatever political agenda tyhey need to see it to cow tow to some political group then we will continue to see our Constitution eroded.


19 posted on 05/20/2008 10:12:34 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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To: stuartcr
"Haven’t they been around all through history and in all societies?"


From what I have read, yes, most all societies.

They have also been treated as the deviates they are, hence they stayed in the "closet".

Is it normal for you to tell perfect strangers that you are heterosexual? (providing you are) Or, are your sexual preferences something that is no ones business but yours?


I don't give a damned if you (anyone) is queer. Once I know, I will avoid that person, as I would any leaper.

20 posted on 05/20/2008 10:16:55 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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