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Atom-smashing lab says experiment to start end-June [scofs at fear of black hole destroying Earth]
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 5/27/08 | AFP

Posted on 05/27/2008 12:53:48 PM PDT by Brilliant

European particle physics laboratory CERN is set to launch its gigantic experiment which hopes to throw light on the origins of the universe within a month, the laboratory's head said Tuesday.

If things go according to plan, the greatest experiment in the history of particle physics could unveil a sub-atomic component, the Higgs Boson, known as "the God Particle."

The "Higgs," named after the eminent British physicist, Peter Higgs, who first proposed it in 1964, would fill a gaping hole in the benchmark theory for understanding the physical cosmos.

Other work on the so-called Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could explain dark matter and dark energy -- strange phenomena that, stunned astrophysicists discovered a few years ago, account for 96 percent of the universe.

The LHC device "will be in working order by the end of June," CERN director general Robert Aymar told journalists.

A gamble costing six billion Swiss francs (almost six billion dollars, 3.9 billion euros) that has harnessed the labours of more than 2,000 physicists from nearly three dozen countries, the LHC is the biggest, most powerful high-energy particle accelerator ever built.

Beams of hydrogen protons will whizz around at near-light speed in opposite directions until, bent by powerful superconducting magnets, they will smash together in four bus-sized detector chambers, where they will be annihilated at temperatures hotter than the sun.

But Aymar played down hopes of any immediate discoveries once the LHC is set in motion.

"We will accumulate data for two years and it will take a lot of time to interpret," he said.

He also scoffed at fears that the massive experiment could create a black hole with potentially devastating consequences for life on Earth.

"The system is totally safe. There is nothing to fear," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: atom; blackholes; chickenlittle; eu; higgs; higgsboson; physics; science; stringtheory
Sleep well tonight.
1 posted on 05/27/2008 12:53:49 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
"The system is totally safe. There is nothing to fear," he said.

...I'm getting flashbacks to Spiderman 2...

2 posted on 05/27/2008 12:56:17 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: Brilliant

Nice explanation of why one needs not to worry about black holes being created by this atom smasher:

http://carnabyfudge.blogspot.com/2008/03/botanist-lobbies-to-save-humanity.html


3 posted on 05/27/2008 12:59:08 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Brilliant
Just to scare us a bit more, one reason we can't seem to find traces of any other intelligent beings throughout the universe may simply be because at some point, they created their own black holes from similar experiments.

At least Europe goes first. ;-)

4 posted on 05/27/2008 1:00:27 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ghost of nixon

This is the thing that we were trying to discover with the Texas supercollider that got cancelled by the Democrats because they did not like Texas.

Not that I think spending all that money on an atom smasher is such a good idea anyway...


5 posted on 05/27/2008 1:00:31 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: C19fan

This assumes hawking radiation is real, which has yet to be directly observed. I’m not arguing against hawking though, I believe he was right, but if he’s wrong it has ramifications for how quickly a hypothetical black hole would evaporate (never?).


6 posted on 05/27/2008 1:07:26 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: C19fan

Great post. My own question was also the first letter posted at the end. Good explanations!


7 posted on 05/27/2008 1:09:22 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

Ah yes, I almost forgot The Krell Furnace.


8 posted on 05/27/2008 1:11:31 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: C19fan

What happens if the ‘Hawking radiation’ theory is incorrect, and it doesn’t evaporate?


9 posted on 05/27/2008 1:13:35 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Brilliant

Thanks for the thread. I’ve kept periodic track of this, and thought that CERN was going on-line in August or even later. This is great news, and they must have done some preliminary testing to determine that it could be turned on earlier. Keep us posted.


10 posted on 05/27/2008 1:14:19 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: Brilliant

“He also scoffed at fears that the massive experiment could create a black hole with potentially devastating consequences for life on Earth.”

Let’s hope there’s not a blackhole out there somewhere looking for a partner.


11 posted on 05/27/2008 1:17:26 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Brilliant
The builder of Fermilab, R.R. Wilson, perhaps explained best why studying fundamental physics is so important in his testimony before the Congress of the United States in 1969. Congress was looking for some sort of justification in spending $200 million. What follows is an except from Wilson's testimony before the Congressional Joint Committee on Atomic Energy.

Pastore: Is there anything connected in the hopes of this accelerator that in any way involves the security of this country?

Wilson: No sir; I do not believer so.

Pastore: Nothing at all?

Wilson: Nothing at all.

Pastore: It has no value in that respect?

Wilson: It only has to do with the respect with which we regard one another, the dignity of men, our love of culture. It has to do with those things. It has nothing to do with the military, I am sorry.

Pastore: Don't be sorry for it.

Wilson: I am not, but I cannot in honesty say it has any such application.

Pastore: Is there anything here that projects us in a position of being competitive with the Russians, with regard to this race?

Wilson: Only from a long-range point of view, of a developing technology. Otherwise, it has to do with: Are we good painters, good sculptors, great poets? I mean all the things that we really venerate and honor in our country and are patriotic about. In that sense, this new knowledge has all to do with honor and country but it has nothing to do directly with defending our country, except to make it worth defending.

12 posted on 05/27/2008 1:17:36 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: Brilliant
Oh come on, everybody nows that the “end” doesn't come until 2012.

Regardless, I have no faith whatsoever in any assurances from these scientists, most of which are clueless. I have known too many PhDs that I wouldn't trust to screw in a light-bulb. It's not safe to give them such powerful toys.

13 posted on 05/27/2008 1:19:19 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Brilliant
"a black hole with potentially devastating consequences for life on Earth"

Hey, look at the bright side: at least we wouldn't have to listen to the Gorebots blather on about Global Warming, er "climate change" ..... anymore.
14 posted on 05/27/2008 1:23:02 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: ghost of nixon

or Dan Brown’s “Angels and Demons”

(soon to be released movie...May 2008)


15 posted on 05/27/2008 1:23:15 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Brilliant

Maybe they could delay this test and conduct it in mecca during the next hajj?


16 posted on 05/27/2008 1:23:38 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Brilliant

An atom smasher is to a black hole as a match is to the sun. Not too much to worry about.


17 posted on 05/27/2008 1:23:40 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: Brilliant
"The system is totally safe. There is nothing to fear," he said.

Said the captain of the Titanic, the Hindenburg and ...........

18 posted on 05/27/2008 1:24:17 PM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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To: wolfcreek
Let’s hope there’s not a blackhole out there somewhere looking for a partner.

Inside every black hole is a little man with a flashlight, looking for a fuse box.

19 posted on 05/27/2008 1:27:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Enchante

My thougths exactly, but, then again, we would all be merged into a singularity....

“Eternity with Nerds! It’s the Pasadena Star Trek Convention all over again!”


20 posted on 05/27/2008 1:29:30 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Brilliant

My pet rock comes thru again! Shazam


21 posted on 05/27/2008 1:31:57 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Brilliant

bump


22 posted on 05/27/2008 1:34:13 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: stuartcr
What happens if the ‘Hawking radiation’ theory is incorrect, and it doesn’t evaporate?

We're in big trouble, but not because of the micro black hole.

This is rooted in the basics of quantum mechanics, and if that 'quits working' then the sun will go out and a host of other bad things will happen. The problem in detecting Hawking radiation is not that the theory is shaky, but that the conditions to detect it are hard to come by. You need a black hole, for starters, and close enough that you can detect the Hawking radiation - which ends up looking like photons, and so gets lost in lots and lots of other photons between us and the nearest black holes we can detect (by observing effects on other bodies, of course).

I think the problem is just the opposite - at the highest energy states they can reach with the LHC, any black hole will evaporate so fast we won't even know it was there.
23 posted on 05/27/2008 1:44:21 PM PDT by Phlyer
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To: C19fan

Another point that CERN itself has made is that the earth has already been bombarded by ultra-high energy cosmic rays for billions of years, with no apparent bad effects. These cosmic rays are essentially the same thing as what CERN produces, but with much higher energy. So why don’t we just study those? Their collisions happen at the edge of space, and occur randomly, uncontrolled.


24 posted on 05/27/2008 1:57:13 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Brilliant
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25 posted on 05/27/2008 2:18:43 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: Brilliant
Quote:
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Not that I think spending all that money on an atom smasher is such a good idea anyway...
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This thing will have more uses than just "atom smashing". Just a guess, but whatever those uses are I am sure they are highly classified. Think unified theory and quantum mechanics applications.
26 posted on 05/27/2008 2:38:57 PM PDT by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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To: Brilliant

Build it on the Moon.


27 posted on 05/27/2008 3:33:47 PM PDT by Dagny&Hank
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To: BenLurkin; neverdem; NormsRevenge

“I said ‘Bud Light’.”


28 posted on 06/01/2008 5:08:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

thanks, bfl


29 posted on 06/01/2008 6:04:31 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; Las Vegas Dave; ...
[old joke punchline] "Nothing can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong..."

30 posted on 06/01/2008 9:33:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Brilliant
June is turning out to be a very "interesting" month. In the sense of the old curse, "May you live in interesting times".

The Supreme Court will be handing down it's decision in "Heller" indicating whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right, and if it does, do DC's guns laws violate that right?

The Democrats will probably finally decide whether Socialist (Heavy) Clinton or Marxist Obama will be their nominee to go up against Socialist (light) McCain.

The Congress may refuse to further fund the War on Terror by not passing a supplemental appropriation causing massive layoffs of civilian support personnel and support contractors, as well as cancellation or shelving of several development programs. (The military is already asking permission to transfer money from other accounts so they can pay the troops, but that will only work through mid July)

And now, to end the madness perhaps, a Black Hole may devour the Earth. (Although I highly doubt it. The Fates are not that munificent).

31 posted on 06/01/2008 10:27:03 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Brilliant
"The system is totally safe. There is nothing to fear," he said.

After considering all the things Europeans have been wrong about...socialism, multiculturalism, man made global warming...I'm starting to worry!

32 posted on 06/01/2008 10:32:18 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: DungeonMaster
An atom smasher is to a black hole as a match is to the sun.

Unlike an active star, there doesn't appear to be any limit to how small a black hole may be. Well there sort of is, but it is due to quantum mechanical effects, and would be quite small indeed. In fact that's part of the argument for this thing not being dangerous. The smaller a black hole is, the faster it "evaporates", due to higher tidal forces near it's event horizon, according to Hawking at least. Since the LHC could only create very small black holes, they would be expected to evaporate faster than they could eat. I hope he is right, and expect that he is.

33 posted on 06/01/2008 10:36:13 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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