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Swiftboat THIS
Modern Conservative ^ | June 17, 2008 | Steve Finefrock

Posted on 06/17/2008 9:06:07 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

Short Pants’ Short Memory

Swift-boat THIS.
by Steve Finefrock


Michael Kinsley is wearing his intellectual short pants again, in his essay on Swiftboating. Wishing upon wishes for a ‘clean’ campaign of purity, he asserts, “Swift-boat is shorthand for the brilliant, despicable Republican campaign strategy in 2004 that turned John Kerry's honorable service in Vietnam into a negative factor in his campaign. The phrase has become more broadly the term for a particular category of campaign tactics and has even become a verb. To ‘swift-boat’ somebody is to use these tactics against him or her.”

Kinsley is not stupid, nor ignorant, but plainly very conveniently ‘forgetful’ of much history in his lifetime, never mind that of the DNC and its minions earlier in the century, before Kinsley’s mind was even a glimmer in his parents youthful eyes. Swiftboating began in January of 1929, nine gestative months before the Black Tuesday stockmarket crash foreshadowed the Great Depression, and the swiftboating by historians and journalists of Herbert Clark Hoover.

Kinsley’s claims, and definitions, go further: “Swift-boating's essence is a particular kind of dishonesty, or rather a particular combination of shadowy dishonesties. It usually involves a complex web of facts, many of which may even be true. It exploits its own complexity and the reluctance of the media to adjudicate factual disputes. No matter how thoroughly a charge may be discredited, enough taint remains to support an argument. The fundamental dishonesty is the suggestion that the issue, whatever it is, really matters. This is how swift-boating differs from its cousin McCarthyism, which deals in totally baseless charges that would be deeply serious if true. Swift-boating is McCarthyism lite...


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; hoover; kerry; kinsley; mccarthyism; obama; swiftboating
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I didn’t think the Swiftboat Vets were a Republican group...

Actually the founder of the Swift Boat was John Oneill. He is a Houston lawyer and a Democrat. He is also a loyal American Patriot.

John Kerry could have shut down the Swift Boat campaign in one day if he would have released his military records. If what the Swift Boat people saying was a lie, John Kerry's military record would have destroyed them. John Kerry did not and still has not released his military records. President Bush did. Why will Kerry not release his records?????????

21 posted on 06/17/2008 10:37:25 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: The Shrew; neverdem

Bookmarked.

And the MSM lies. Again.


22 posted on 06/17/2008 10:38:46 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: txflake
‘Mark Foleying’ is also a tactic. And "Dan Rathering" is not - just trying to speak truth to power..........
23 posted on 06/17/2008 10:40:05 AM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Nope. Not gonna do it.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
"Kinsley is not stupid, nor ignorant"...

That's your opinion....

24 posted on 06/17/2008 10:43:09 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
"It usually involves a complex web of facts, many of which may even be true."

Kinsley subscribes to the Dan Rather theory of "fake but true" when it comes to facts...

25 posted on 06/17/2008 10:49:08 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
None of the main critics have really read the book by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth nor have they really looked at the facts. That's painfully obvious to anyone who has.
26 posted on 06/17/2008 11:11:24 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I didn’t think the Swiftboat Vets were a Republican group...

Maybe not...but this Gunboat Vet is one!

27 posted on 06/17/2008 11:12:09 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Not one of the claims the Swift Boat Vets made has been disproved.

Swift Vets and POWs for Truth

28 posted on 06/17/2008 11:18:33 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

thanks, bfl


29 posted on 06/17/2008 11:39:02 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. The leftists are still angry about what the Swift Boat Veterans were able to accomplish in 2004 with no help from the Bush campaign or the Republican Party.


30 posted on 06/17/2008 7:18:24 PM PDT by zot
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To: TigersEye; freema

Bump...


31 posted on 06/17/2008 10:34:45 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
It usually involves a complex web of facts, many of which may even be true. It exploits its own complexity and the reluctance of the media to adjudicate factual disputes. No matter how thoroughly a charge may be discredited, enough taint remains to support an argument.
Some of the facts may be true? Huh? All facts are true. And since when is the media reluctant to adjudicate factual disputes? Kinsley is engaging in what he calls "swiftboating", applying it to the Swiftboats Veterans for Truth which undermined the slimy, lying, treasonous approach of John Kerry, a nasty liar who should have been hanged.
32 posted on 06/18/2008 11:48:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: smoothsailing; dcwusmc; DakotaRed
bumpin' it.

SBVFT is where I met and fell in love with this man, and the reason I am here, today.


33 posted on 06/18/2008 7:50:52 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Kinsley, as does all other leftist twits, also ignores totally that none of the Swifties charges and allegations were ever proven false. Even Kerry and his minions had to back off of some claims (Christmas in Cambodia for one) and admit they were “embellished.”

The fear expressed from the left over these brave combat tested Veterans grassroots effort and possibility of regrouping shows just how effective they were in opposing the left’s Bolshevik propaganda machine.

Incidentally, the GOP had nothing to do with guys. Pro-Bush comments were not permitted and as one who had the privilege of being on the Discussion Forum Admin team, they were removed as fast as they were discovered with cautions of pro-Bush posts were not allowed, much to the dismay of many posters.

If none have read it, Scott Swett’s “To Set The Record Straight” is an excellent read and look behind the scenes of their effort.

34 posted on 06/18/2008 10:25:10 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Complacent Americans and Spineless RINO's have allowed this to happen.)
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To: angkor

John O’Neill was a life-long Democrat, until the 2004 Campaign when the Democrats hate and anger came straight at him. He even told Nixon when they met in the early 70’s that he was a Democrat who voted for Humphrey.


35 posted on 06/18/2008 10:27:44 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Complacent Americans and Spineless RINO's have allowed this to happen.)
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