Morality -- Trotskyite vs. Christian [It's Pat]

Townhall ^ | June 24, 2008 | Pat Buchanan

[Zionist Conspirator]

Ho-hum.

Why do conservative orgs/pages like Townhall and Human Events still run pieces by this Ben `Amaleq?

PS: Despite the constant blather of the "palaeos," Trotskyites are not now and have never been Zionists. In fact, they're allied with the "palaeos" on this issue.

[editor-surveyor]

"Pat hits bottom, digs."

At this rate, he'll need to learn Chinese soon.

[KevinDavis]

Personally I think had Hitler not invaded the Soviet Union, we would have been fighting Germany, Japan, and the Soviet Union at the same time. Still we would have won, but the war would have been much bloodier and the lives lost been greater. I agree had we dealt with the Nazis early on, a lot of lives could have been spared. Also, we would have been fighting the Soviet Union instead and killed off Communism early on.

[KevinDavis]

It is called the enemy of enemy is my friend. Granted not a good friend but they where our allies during the war. Sometimes you have deal with the devil to gets things done.

[dervish]

You’re an idiot Pat. There is no “lex talionis: an eye for an eye.”

The Brits were fighting a war, killing their enemy. The Germans were committing a genocide against their own population and those of their allies.

Link to Hitchens

http://www.newsweek.com/id/141501

[Boiler Plate]

Because it is an inconvenient fact that actually started in the Spanish Revolution with Hitler bombing Guernica and even further back with the Germans using Zeppelins to bomb London in the First World War.

The real fact is Pat is an idiot and I personally never liked him.

[ApplegateRanch]

I voted for this idiot in 92...

So did I.

That is why I will swallow my bile, eat my vomit, put a bag over my head, wrap my self in a flag, grit my teeth, and vote for McCain.

If he pays up afterward, it is just prostitution; if he doesn't, then it is rape; but either is still better than taking it in the rear from the Big-O.

[gathersnomoss]

Now that comment was not only racist, but it was also homophobic. You, sir, will be headed to a reeducation camp. Nurse Cratchet will be happy to oversee your proper treatment.

[ApplegateRanch]

If playing by Marquis of Queensbury rules achieves those objectives, you play by the rules.

And that implies that there is an effective, fair referee & ringside judges.

Barring that, wipe them out as quickly and cheaply to self as possible, unless they unconditionally surrender.

A war IS about destroying one's ememy, unless one is engaged in an AGRESSIVE war; NOT a defensive war. When attacked, all rules & bets are off.

[ApplegateRanch]

Geeze, I meant to get ageist & sexist in there, too. I must be slipping!

[ApplegateRanch]

Personally, I blame the isolationists for World War 2 and its aftermath. That includes their current bootlickers like Patty.

Thank you. A true peace loving pacifist KILLS the trouble maker, BEFORE he can signifcantly disturb the peace.

[Clemenza]

I saw Guernica for the first time at the Reina Sophia in Madrid back in November. Reproductions do NOT do it justice.

[wideawake]

Why did Pat call his article “Trotskyite vs. Christian” when he’s talking about Churchill’s England, Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia? Is it because he’d rather have a Jewish name representing Communism?

It's the only possible reason. Trotsky was a complete and utter non-factor in the war - he sat the whole thing out in Mexico.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Pat’s still mad at Churchill for standing up to Hitler in 1940 instead of surrendering to him.

[BroJoeK]

"“The Legend of Dresden” a scholarly and balanced account in Air Force Magazine; a decent antidote to some of the revisionism http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2004/1004dresden.asp"

Here is another excellent reference:

Frederick Taylor "Dresden" copyright 2004

Go to the Amazon link, read the reviews, if nothing else.

[Don Joe]

Pat is engaged in an intellectual exercise of discussing what ifs. What’s so wrong about that? Could we have stopped Hitler earlier without resorting to a world war?

The problem is that every now and then, one starts to get the idea that maybe ol' Pat really is capable of making a valid point or two... but next thing you know, the old bastard has segued into defending Hitler on one pretext or another, giving everyone to the left of Regan fodder for jokes about how "Pat's material sounds a lot more impressive in the original German."

He's like a caricature of a caricature, namely, the guy from Dr. Strangelove who would lapse into heel-clicking mode at the most importune moments.

That's Pat for ya -- just when you think he's finally on The Road to Rehabilitation of his reputation, someone says something that sets him off (maybe it's just the imaginary voices in his head half the time), and he flips into "Jawohl, Mein Fuhrer!" character.

The guy is an embarrassment that won't go away. If someone wanted to plant an ugly wart on the face of the conservative movement, they'd do it in the form of something exactly like Pat Buchanan.

The saddest part of all is the gutless countryclub "leadership" that refuses to look the bastard square in the eye and tell him to GTF out of town, NOW.

[BroJoeK]

"Trotsky was a complete and utter non-factor in the war - he sat the whole thing out in Mexico. "

Trotsky was murdered by Stalin's agent in Mexico, in August 1940.

So, you might say, Trotsky "sat out" the war in his grave. ;-)

[wideawake]

LOL! To be honest I thought he was killed in 1942. I don’t know why.

[Don Joe]

A war IS about destroying one's ememy, unless one is engaged in an AGRESSIVE war; NOT a defensive war. When attacked, all rules & bets are off.

And, just to keep our heads on straight :) let's not forget that "an aggressive war" and "a just war" are not mutually exclusive terms. Or, to look at it another way, what looks like "an aggressive war" may very well turn out to be a defensive war.

Case in point -- right now, this country is being subjected to what IMO any rational man would understand to be a coordinated series of acts of war. A naval blockade is understood to be an act of war, and what we are experiencing "on the economic front" is really no different -- in result -- from a naval blockade.

We are being destroyed. Strangled to death. The outcome is not in question -- and the methods are not resisted. Our "leaders" will not strike back, however. Instead, they scold US, lecturing us on the need to tighten our belts.

Well, comes a time when the belt has been fully tightened. At that point, we're finished.

It's been said that no one ever wins a defensive war. Be that as it may, I think it's incontrovertible that no one ever wins any war when they refuse to fight, but in lieu of fighting, turn around, and yell at their countrymen that it's time to eat less, drive less, be colder in the winter, and, in short, lengthen the dying process as much as possible.

They seem to be basing this idiocy on the premise that any definitive action on our part would indeed be "an aggressive war" -- but IMO nothing could be further than the truth. A crafy enemy, combined with a gutless "leadership" are in agreement -- it would LOOK like "an aggressive war" if we were to retaliate against the very real acts of war perpetrated against us.

And so, we find ourselves in our present estate, to which I would advise my countrymen to take a good look around yourselves, and remember what you see, because for all their shortcomings, THESE are "the good old days" and we will be hard-pressed to explain to our grandchildren just how good we had it, "back in the good-old-days."

It really doesn't get any sorrier than that, does it. What a pathetic legacy we've had jammed down our throats.

If you think things are "interesting" now, with gasoline toying with the $5/gal level, ask yourself how it'll be when it's at ten, or fifteen, or twenty five dollars a gallon, and heating oil is as precious as gold.

I expect a lot of good Americans will die this winter -- die in their homes, but not comfortably in their beds. They will die the bitter death of hypthermia, and carbon monoxide poisoning, whole families of them, hunched together under blankets and sleeping bags, bent over the charcoal grill in the living room.

A hearty F-U to every political scoundrel who doesn't find THIS prospect worthy of a Congressional Declaration of War.

My family won't freeze -- we have wood and a wood stove -- and, hopefully, we won't starve, either. I am doing what I can with our garden. But I am sick with worry about the millions who are in effect "virtual refugees" in their own land, unaware of what's coming down the pike, heads filled with endless celebrity gossip and similar tripe by the "news" media.

[BroJoeK]

For a good discussion of the WWII bomber war, see:

Robbin Neillands, The Bomber War, copyright 2001

Quoting from pages 12-13:

"The first strategic bomber raids behind enemy lines were carried out by the German Zeppelin airships, which dropped bombs on the east coast of England in January 1915. The first raid killed or injured twenty people, most of them civilians.

"The Zeppelin raids continued, and two years after they began the Germans deployed a strategic aircraft, the long-range Gotha bomber, which operated from bases in Belgium and first appeared over Britain on 25 May 1917.

"The Gotha was a formidable machine capable of carrying a 500 kg (1,100 lb) bomb. The first Gotha raid was on Folkestone, a port through which troops were shipped to France; 300 people were killed or injured in this first raid, 116 of them soldiers, but the ferries continued to cross the Channel.

"Three weeks later the Gothas attacked London -- a daylight raid by fourteen aircraft killed or injured some 600 people. Only seven of them were servicemen, and among the casualties were 46 children from an infants' school.

"Such raids continued and caused considerable public disquiet and not a little panic.

"Questions about Britain's vulnerability to air attack were asked in the House of Commons, and fighter squadrons were rushed back from France to form a defensive ring around London.

"As a result the Gothas abandoned daylight raids and began to attack London by night. This lead to even more indiscriminate bombing. The Gothas were not able to bomb accurately but they were able to bomb with impunity by night, as the fighters could not find them.

"These attacks continued for a year, almost until the end of the war. In that time Gothas killed or injured some 1,800 people, only a third of whom were connected in any way with military operations.

"It will be clear from this brief account that any moral restraints on the use of this new weapon, in so far as they ever existed, failed to survive the first contact with the realities of war.

"By the time the Great War ended in 1918 there had been more than 50 bombing raids on British towns in which around 2,000 people had been killed or injured."

Please note -- I have quoted this at length, so that you can clearly see, nothing was missing from the German bombing of England in the First World War, except the much larger scale of World War Two.