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*LIVE THREAD* DC vs Heller decision due at 10:00 EST (2nd Amendment)
SCOTUS Blog ^ | 6-26-08 | shameless vanity

Posted on 06/26/2008 3:55:39 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Today is the day.

The folks at SCOTUS blog will be providing a live blog to follow developments as quickly as possible.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; bitter; elections; heller; judiciary; scalia; scotus; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: RKBA Democrat
Hey, Hey, NA NA NA NA.....WE WON!!!!!!!

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

WHOO HOO!!!!!!!

(....man, we needed this, whew...)

Leni

501 posted on 06/26/2008 7:45:26 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home or vote Barr for Obamination, more Taxation, Regulation, Litigation and Ginzburgization)
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To: Moose4

This definitely reads as a status quo decision for most areas. It will likely have an impact in places like Chicago and the Chicago suburbs, where bans like DC are common.

It could have an impact in New York City, where it is technically legal to purchase a handgun, but is enforced capriciously, allowing only the well connected and famous to have weapons.

OTOH, governments have a long history of ignoring rulings like this. The Wisconsin supreme court struck down parts of the state CCW ban, charging the legislature with rewriting the law. The legislature has twice passed CCW laws only to have the vetoed by Jim Doyle.


502 posted on 06/26/2008 7:45:33 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: RKBA Democrat

PHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


503 posted on 06/26/2008 7:45:37 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: pabianice

“The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditional lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

Uh-oh. Can this ruling be used to prohibit self defense outside the home?”

No. The “such as” is an example without limitation. It like saying “Sports cars go fast, such as a Porsche.” It doesn’t mean there are not other fast cars besides a Porsche.


504 posted on 06/26/2008 7:45:41 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Moose4
In Massachusetts you have to go through the your Chief of Police to apply for a right to buy a handgun and most of them rubber-stamp NO.

This ruling should put the onus on them to justify compeling grounds for denial now.

505 posted on 06/26/2008 7:45:45 AM PDT by AU72
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To: paul544
Basically it's this:

The right to own a firearm is an individual right and is unconnected with service in a militia. The 2nd Amendment opening clause that refers to a "well-regulated militia" should not be interpreted as limiting or expanding the individual right to keep and bear arms.

The Court briefly addresses the historical reasons for the Amendment and finds that the idea was to to deny Congress the power to "abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms" so that the Federal Government would not be able to disarm the people in order to disable the citizens’ militia.

The Court did find that none of the precedents conflict with their current interpretation. They also addressed the issue of limitations on the 2nd Amendment:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."

Reasonable restrictions only, in other words. D.C.'s handgun ban was not reasonable:

"The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of arms that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense."

506 posted on 06/26/2008 7:45:53 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace is Not The Question.)
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To: MrB

Yea, the Blue Dogs, while a minority over there, do have a good deal of common sense on this issue at least.

Any idea if this ruling extends beyond DC? i.e. is this a precedent that can knock down odious restrictions in places like Massachusetts? Or is this a in effect a one-time ruling since DC isn’t actually a state?


507 posted on 06/26/2008 7:46:03 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: WVKayaker

Those are decently priced. Are they needed? Enough techie people around here to do some good tuning of the architecture.


508 posted on 06/26/2008 7:46:20 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: kevkrom

It’s great isn’t it? I’m just 22 pages into it - the last few pages have shown Stevens vaunted “pragmatic” look at the law to be pure fluff. Scalia is eviscerating Stevens and his absurd arguments.


509 posted on 06/26/2008 7:46:25 AM PDT by manapua
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To: fzx12345

Somewhere in the Great Beyond, Charlton Heston is smiling broadly.


510 posted on 06/26/2008 7:46:29 AM PDT by NRA1995 (It should be called "Cosa Nostra", not "Congress")
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To: kevkrom
we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation

That is freakin' awesome!

The whole country just became must issue CCL!

511 posted on 06/26/2008 7:46:34 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: AU72

Not to quibble but Roe v. Wade was a 7-2 vote. Its hard to believe that 7 members of the Supreme Court could find an imaginary right to abortion and only 5 could find the obvious right to keep and bear arms.


512 posted on 06/26/2008 7:46:40 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk
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To: WackySam
It seems as though there are more DUmmies for the 2nd than against. Shocked the hell out of me.

Yeah, me too, although my parents are liberal Democrats, hate guns, but also support 2nd Amendment rights.

513 posted on 06/26/2008 7:47:11 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: mquinn

By the way Obama released a comment saying he agrees with the courts decision.


514 posted on 06/26/2008 7:47:13 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, freerepublic.com baby)
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To: green iguana

And the AR-15 design rifles are arguably the type of firearm in common use for militia purposes today, as evidenced by practically every US Soldier and Marine being issued one. It will be very hard indeed for the antis to claim an AR-15 is unusual or uncommon.


515 posted on 06/26/2008 7:47:49 AM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: NRA1995

Amen to that Brother.


516 posted on 06/26/2008 7:47:58 AM PDT by alarm rider (Peace! through superior fire power....)
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To: mewzilla
Individual right to keep and bear arms is affirmed!

BUSH'S FAULT!!

517 posted on 06/26/2008 7:48:17 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: driftdiver

While I only skimmed the decision and will read it later, nothing on waiting periods I believe was challenged. If an issue isn’t challenge, it is not supposed to be ruled on by the courts.

Unassembled firearms, use of trigger locks at ALL times, and total pistol bans themselves were what is challenged by Heller.


518 posted on 06/26/2008 7:48:26 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: mewzilla
McCain is not a conservative and would be facing a Democrat Senate. McCain understands there is no way the Senate would approve a SCOTUS justice even moderately conservative. In the spirit of bipartisanship, McCain would "reach across the aisle" and, with the advise of his friend Kennedy, would nominate a liberal/moderate that the Democrats would approve.

Bingo. This is why the only choice is for us to demand McCain step aside. He stands no chance because no true conservative would vote for him. The only way we can win is for someone else, other than McCain to run.
519 posted on 06/26/2008 7:48:43 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: mware

Really? That surprises me.

I can’t wait to hear Daley’s reaction in Chicago. I’m sure the words, “deeply disappointed” will be in there are few times. heheheheheee


520 posted on 06/26/2008 7:48:43 AM PDT by retrokitten (I want to rock your gypsy soul, just like way back in the days of old)
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