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*LIVE THREAD* DC vs Heller decision due at 10:00 EST (2nd Amendment)
SCOTUS Blog ^ | 6-26-08 | shameless vanity

Posted on 06/26/2008 3:55:39 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat

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To: bvw

Technically, that line *could* be interpreted to include cannon and warships. One cannot say that naval cannon were not in common use around the time of the founding by the citizenry.


861 posted on 06/26/2008 11:12:22 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TXnMA
before you take such a dumb@$$ position...

Evidently you can't pass 1st grade math. We were talking about positive and negatives, and not the sum.

Hussein's popular vote tally will not increase if I do not vote for Hussein. Therefore my statement is incontrovertible.

Try finding some principles to stand on. Sacrificing your beliefs for any reason reveals serious questions about your character. We've been punished too long by voting for liberal nutcases like McCain.
862 posted on 06/26/2008 11:14:51 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: FreedomProtector
Gotta give Bush credit for not repeating one big mistake of his father: Souter.

And give us credit - and some of the conservatives in the Senate - for not tolerating the possibility of Harriet Myers. Dingy Harry and Upchuck Schumer liked her. That was enough for me to say, "not only 'no', but '**** no'!"

So what happened next? The President nominated Justice Alito, liberals hated him and made his wife cry, and he was confirmed in the Senate by the virtual equivalent of 5-4.

A great reason to vote for Conservative Republican presidents and conservative Republican senators (and representatives). A vote for a Democrat, no matter how 'conservative' is a vote for Pelosi and Reid, for constitutional rights for terrorists at Gitmo, life for child rapists, and against the Constitution to which ALL of these elected officials (and unelected judges) swore an oath.

863 posted on 06/26/2008 11:15:47 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("In Israel, the President hit the nail on the head. The nails are complaining loudly." - John Bolton)
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To: AU72

I am thinking the same thing. I wonder what GOAL has brewing in terms of launching a test case. Under no circumstances would any license fee be appropriate; we now have a right to own firearms.


864 posted on 06/26/2008 11:16:01 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Vaquero
"got any pictures of patriots without varmint rifles?"

Here ya go...


865 posted on 06/26/2008 11:19:18 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: xsrdx
The opinion does seem to be helpful in that regard. Not sure though how it effects select fire/ full auto.

"Unusually dangerous?" Not really.

I agree with "not really." Full autos have NEVER been illegal under federal law, you just have to pay for a tax stamp (which is more of a fee to investigate you and pay for the process than anything else at this point) and fill out some paperwork. Oh, yeah, and pay $10K or more for a gun that should cost about $1,200 at most.

Most of us can, if we have a fat enough wallet, get a full auto. In fact, we can get an M16 manufactured on 5/18/1986 if we can find it - but the absurd and (IMHO) unconstitutional '86 ban says that if you want to get a companion M16 with identical features manufactured on the same production line in the same factory a mere 2 days later, you can't do that.

Further, full autos aren't so common now, but that's ONLY because of the ban. Who among AR15 or M4gery owners wouldn't pay another $50 or $100 for an auto sear plus the $200 tax stamp for "da switch?" Who wouldn't buy "da switch" and drop it in for a few hundred bucks? I say that they WOULD be common, literally 500,000 or more, if no one had to worry about the JBTs coming to your house, breaking the door down, shooting or rifle-butting you, kicking your pregnant wife in the belly, stomping the cat, etc., all before giving you a long expense-paid visit to the Graybar Hotel. Also, who can say that full autos aren't common among armed forces - even police forces - in the present world? How's a militiaman to perform his duties without a suitable weapon? Look at Switzerland - most of the male population over age 18 either has, or used to have, a fully automatic weapon in his closet, with ammo.

I can't wait for the '86 ban to be challenged. I think that we win - it is functionally identical to the now-defunct DC handgun ban (OOOOH, how I love to write that), and should be equally defunct itself fairly soon.

866 posted on 06/26/2008 11:19:35 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: samson1097
We have made this website in the support of either repealing the amendment, or by amending the amendment to allow exclusions for persons whose careers have been adversely affected due to this law, as well as allow for the victims rights not to be violated in situations that may arise from the amendment, or repeal of the Lautenberg Amendment.

There should be no exceptions to the law; it should be repealed.

867 posted on 06/26/2008 11:20:12 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: newnhdad

Not to rain on your parade, I understand the sentiment, but when exactly was the last time anybody fought against the government to protect their freedoms and liberties?

Waco comes to mind...

The whole concept is almost at “tooth fairy” status. Sounds nice and wonderful, but just ain’t so.


868 posted on 06/26/2008 11:24:10 AM PDT by djf (I don't believe in perpetual motion. Perpetual mutton, that's another thing entirely!)
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To: 300magnum; BibChr
Does anyone want to try to make the case that “it doesn’t matter who’s President”?

Only Ginsberg and Breyer were appointed by Bill Clinton. The other 7 were appointed by Republicans.

OK, so 100% of those appointed by Dems voted to cut the 2nd Amendment out of the Constitution, but only 29% of the Republican-appointed ones did. Shameful, yes, but a HUGE differnce.

If someone can't make the distinction here, or between McCain and Obama on a whole host of issues, something's wrong. I don't like McCain much, but he's clearly much better than the only other alternative.

869 posted on 06/26/2008 11:25:02 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: PapaBear3625

“If this results in Illinois and New York restrictions on ownership in the home, with the result that many people become gun owners, then there will be a constituency to agitate for “shall issue” CCW”

Bingo. We were never going to get a complete and total win with one case. But this is enough to keep us busy for the next decade.


870 posted on 06/26/2008 11:27:56 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Prokopton
McCain is not a conservative and would be facing a Democrat Senate. McCain understands there is no way the Senate would approve a SCOTUS justice even moderately conservative.

Perhaps he could just leave the seat open...if the vacancy was by a liberal.

871 posted on 06/26/2008 11:28:30 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("In Israel, the President hit the nail on the head. The nails are complaining loudly." - John Bolton)
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To: LastDayz
Whoa - that bit of quote flies in the face of a much prior and dated SCOTUS ruling in that police had no responsibility in PERSONAL security of individuals and their property, but were officers of the court responsible for investigation and apprehension of criminals for the sake of public order - I had that citation and whole opinion at one time but misplaced it somewhere.

Re-read the context. Scalia is dismissing those arguments as irrelevant in the face of the 2nd Amendment.

872 posted on 06/26/2008 11:32:25 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: semantic

“From this core foundation, thousands of gun laws will be successfully challenged.”

As the anti’s were so fond of noting whenever some gun ban was implemented....”this is just an important first step.”

(Heee Heee Heeee)


873 posted on 06/26/2008 11:35:34 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Bush gal in LA

regarding the photo of Ann Coulter...

With the exception of the lack of eye protection, and the beretta she is about to touch off, one of the best things seen here today.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmsharpest knife in the drawer.....


874 posted on 06/26/2008 11:36:45 AM PDT by petro45acp (NO good endeavor survives an excess of "adult supervision" (read bureaucracy)!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Can the government outlaw a gun because it is not “in common use” when the reason it is not “in common use” because the government has outlawed it?

Sounds like a great arguement for another case...

875 posted on 06/26/2008 11:37:51 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: dbacks
That was not in question.

It was part of the question. In fact, the court discusses it at some length, but chooses to leave it for another day.

876 posted on 06/26/2008 11:42:15 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: chickpundit
Yep, I will vote for McCain because of the troops and the Supreme Court.

I totally agree with you, and will be voting for McCain for the very reasons you are. My children and grandchildren should not pay the price because I don't think McCain is conservative enough, which I don't- but that really has to be beside the point when such important issues are at stake.

877 posted on 06/26/2008 11:44:44 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: kevkrom
 
OK - got it. Found and downloaded the entire PDF - page 67 it is. Yes indeed - he is explaining what it is NOT. Makes the job easier at explaining a fews things to the uninitiated.
 

878 posted on 06/26/2008 11:51:05 AM PDT by LastDayz (Born and Raised Texan)
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To: Prole

Thanks for posting this. I had never heard that quote before... it’s definitely a good one. :)

I’m relieved this decision came down on the side of freedom... A nice little victory over the gun-grabbers...


879 posted on 06/26/2008 11:59:44 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (My Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com & NEW http://exposingobama.wordpress.com)
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To: Prole

No Ruger P95 9mm...that’s racist! ;-)


880 posted on 06/26/2008 12:01:16 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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