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Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
Israel Insider ^ | June 24, 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 06/28/2008 12:20:21 PM PDT by FocusNexus

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To: FocusNexus

Because his full name is Barack Muhammed Hussein Obama.


141 posted on 06/28/2008 3:34:02 PM PDT by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Nobody is questioning his citizenship.
 
What do you mean by that?

I stand corrected.

142 posted on 06/28/2008 3:41:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: Eva

My parents were both American citizens when I was born in a civilian hospital in London England. The hospital issued a British birth certificate, but my Father also registered my birth with the American embassy, and obtained a Consular certificate of birth for me.

Years later, after my Father died and my Mother re-married, my new step-father adopted me and my brother in California. The court issued each of us a new “delayed certificate of birth” with our new last name.

I still had access to my old certificates, but my brother, who was born in California, had his original birth certificate sealed by the state. Strangely, I now use my stepfather’s name, and my brother has reverted to his birth name - although he cannot produce a birth certificate showing it.


143 posted on 06/28/2008 3:41:33 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!)
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To: HighWheeler
So Fred, explain why his father’s race is listed as “African”, and not negro, negroid, or black. Any suspicion in that?

I'm not Fred, but I see a logical explanation for using "African" and not "negro, negroid, or black". The former could apply to a citizen of an African nation, while the latter could apply to a multi-generational descendant of a former American slave.

There is a vast difference between an American black and someone from Africa. I once did some work with a fellow from Nigeria who was working with the black community in our town. Initially I thought they would be from the same mold, but as time went it became clear that their working together was like getting oil and water to mix.

So the term "African" could be totally legitimate.

144 posted on 06/28/2008 3:41:47 PM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
Do you suppose that the Republicans do have the proof in hand that Obama does not meet the citizenship requirements, but are just waiting till after the Dem convention to let it out

Nah, that's not their style. They would be more likely to attack anybody who brought the truth forward. I don't know why; they're just stupid, I guess.

145 posted on 06/28/2008 3:44:27 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: traumer
I wonder if Hillary knows about this....

Hillary is on top of everything Obama. She is either being blackmailed into keeping silent, OR she's waiting for the "perfect time" to reveal the b.c. or another scandal via someone being paid nicely for the honors. Exposing ineligibility certainly seems the sure shot.

146 posted on 06/28/2008 3:46:45 PM PDT by taraytarah (Every aborted baby is like a SLAVE in the womb if his or her mother - Dr. Aleda King)
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To: deport
Questions to ponder, maybe or maybe not.

You may be right, or you may be wrong.

147 posted on 06/28/2008 3:47:32 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

You may be right, or you may be wrong.


LOL......

Yep them ifa’s, coulda’s and woulda’s will surely get you.


148 posted on 06/28/2008 3:58:54 PM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"Nah, that's not their style. They would be more likely to attack anybody who brought the truth forward. I don't know why; they're just stupid, I guess. "

Well I can't argue with you there ......they continue to show stupidity time and time again.

149 posted on 06/28/2008 3:59:03 PM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: David

Even if you were born in New Zealand to two American parents you are a naturalized citizen, and every U.S. military installation is U.S. soil. You are thinking way too hard about this issue. McCain is 100% eligible. I’m not sure about the Obama question, not enough information without a proper birth certificate.


150 posted on 06/28/2008 3:59:30 PM PDT by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: taraytarah

Hillary is... waiting for the "perfect time" to reveal the b.c.

151 posted on 06/28/2008 3:59:45 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: mcshot

This issue has taken on quite a life which tells me that it’s important to folks. Not just on FR either, there are articles on several websites, I don’t think that it’s going away from the looks of the amount of activity about the birth certificate.


152 posted on 06/28/2008 4:02:33 PM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: deport
"Is/was Obama’s mom a US citizen? Was she born in the US or it’s territories? How many parents is required for a child to become a citizen? Does a child have to be born in the US or it’s territories to be a ‘naturalized citizen’? Has the Courts spoken to requirements about ‘naturalized citizenship’ for persons born outside the US or it’s territories?"

Let's try it again.

The Governing Law is the United States Constitution which provides that to be eligible to be President, an individual must be a "natural born" citizen.

We also have a Citizenship statute. It provides that a child born outside the US to two parents, both of whom are citizens automatically becomes a citizen without a naturalization proceeding. McCain is a "citizen" under that statute.

The Citizenship statue also provides that a child born outside the US with one parent who is a citizen and one parent who is not a citizen automatically becomes a citizen if the citizen parent has resided in the US for ten years or more, five of which years were after the date on which the citizen parent reached the age of 21.

Since Obama's mother was 18 when he was born, she flunks the five year rule by definition. If he was born in Kenya, he is not a citizen unless he goes through a naturalization proceeding.

However the citizenship statutes are irrelevant to the issue of Presidential eligibility--to both Obama and McCain. The "natural born" rule is a rule of Constitutional Law--Congress cannot modify it without a Constitutional Amendment; Congress can't define how the rule operates either. The sense of the Senate that Panama ought to be treated as US Soil is all very interesting but I doubt that the Supreme Court will come down on that number.

153 posted on 06/28/2008 4:07:42 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

“So, why is Obama being allowed to get away with this?”

Because some people are created more equal than others.


154 posted on 06/28/2008 4:11:14 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: David
"However the citizenship statutes are irrelevant to the issue of Presidential eligibility--to both Obama and McCain. The "natural born" rule is a rule of Constitutional Law......"

Please explain further... I am listening, just not understanding this last part of your statement.

155 posted on 06/28/2008 4:12:46 PM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: SideoutFred
How can you say he is a US citizen. The proof on the Internet is an obvious fake and he will not produce or authorize the release of the original. I have a copy of mine right here, a official copy released actually on my birthday but in 1988, birth year 1964. I is on embossed raised paper, has the official seals/numbers and signatures. Of course this is a Colorado “CERTIFICATION OF VITAL RECORD”

Until BHO authorizes the release of the HAWIAN certificate, he will be in my eyes as the same POS as Kerry who never signed his form 180.

156 posted on 06/28/2008 4:14:54 PM PDT by SledgeCS (Build the fence. Deport the Illegals. Sell all their assets to cover the cost.)
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To: Logical me

“This is not a job as a dog catcher.”

What do you have against dog catchers? Most are probably more honest than many politicians.


157 posted on 06/28/2008 4:16:17 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

CNN’s Crowley: “If I had to boil this debate down to something, I would tell you it was three words, ‘yes, yes, yes.’ That’s what Hillary Clinton said when she was asked whether she thought Barack Obama could get elected president this fall. As you may know, she has been campaigning largely trying to convince superdelegates that he’s not electable. I think tonight for her to say I think he is, takes that off the table”

She knows.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/04/hotline_after_d_370.html


158 posted on 06/28/2008 4:18:33 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: traumer; Apple Pan Dowdy; 353FMG
I assume that the Clintons are well aware of the issue; I further assume that the present situation may well result from action by the Clintons; and I assume that prior knowledge explains Mrs. Clinton's behavior at the time she withdraws.

And, nobody is "getting away" with this.

But the context of the issue presents difficult choices for a party who wishes to bring the issue to a head in a legal proceeding.

Who and in what context would have standing to even raise the issue in a forum which could issue a ruling effectively precluding Obama from standing for election?

My suspicion is that the Clintons intended to wait until the convention and then have a surrogate raise the issue and have now decided to abandon that plan and attempt to bring it to a head now because as time passes, Mrs. Clinton's standing as having Presidential stature is deteriorating--if she waits for the convention, Al Gore might be the nominee, not her. In fact, it wouldn't be surprising that in the current context, Gore might get the nomination anyway.

The important, but secondary impact, is on McCain. Focus on the legal issue is likely to demonstrate that McCain is out also.

159 posted on 06/28/2008 4:21:22 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: Jet Jaguar
"I think tonight for her to say I think he is, takes that off the table”

And you don't think Hillary would not lie if it was to her advantage?

160 posted on 06/28/2008 4:24:35 PM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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