Posted on 07/01/2008 1:03:52 PM PDT by Red Steel
Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.
I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.
I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.
The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find. Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.
I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.
I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.
The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find.
UPDATE: Looks like some have filed the ole FOIA request to force the issue. Meanwhile Doug Ross thinks it’s legit.
One note, Certificates of Live Birth are NOT considered proof of citizenship in many states including Florida, while in other states it is.
Again, why not then just produce the damn certificate, it clears up the whole thing. Until we see that, the issue isn’t closed.
Actually, current law reads the same except the age was dropped from 16 to 14. The immigration laws have been linked directly to FR on many of these previous threads.
Quite a number of schools take students for the grant funding. A number of these programs are under investigation because the students will pass and not even attend class just so the monies are collected. It would be real interesting to find out of Harvard had been a recipient of any type of repackaged/laundered funds from the Revival of Islamic Heritage Society.
Yes it does matter. There were/are laws governing this. It depends on which year you were born.
Obama was born in 1961 and the below was the law covering that year.
4. December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.
If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.
If by chance Barack Obama's mother gave birth to him in Kenya she did not meet the 5 year residency in the U.S. after the age of 16 because she was 18 when she gave birth.
For reading the other years click on the below link.
Citizenship laws
Re: to posts 121 and 123
Revival of Islamic Heritage Society (Al Qaeda Flagged)
I’m shocked. Harvard has a grant funded program!
The Harvard Islamic Society!
Being a citizen as a result of a naturalization proceeding per se eliminates the prospect that you are eligible to serve as President under Article II, Sec. 1, Par. 4, because one of the elements of a naturalization proceeding is that you are not a natural born citizen.
You know that I’ve been talking about this for going on three weeks now. I sent my findings to Geraghty, Michelle Malkin, Hannity, Daily Kos, Obama and HIllary sites. Geraghty was the only one answering and he thinks we’re wasting our time.
I think the issue is integrity. I went to Dixon Illinois last Summer. Reagan is everywhere. Where he went to school, worked as a life guard, his house etc etc.
I live in Illinois, and LIncoln is everywhere.
I want to know where my president came from and walk in his or her shoes...
Obama? Who is this guy? Where did he come from?
My guess, he doesn’t even know.
My gut tells me he wasn’t even born here. Either way, we have a right to know.
nick
It now appears that (gasp) my information may have been incorrect on requirements for natural born citizen status. The reason some think he may have been born in Kenya is that some in Kenya apparently have said as much in the past but don’t want to talk about it now.
I personally suspect that almost everything about him is fake in view of the fact that he is trying to pass himself off as a Christian on the basis of his past attendance at a church which is Christian in name only. If Trinity United is a Christian church then most churches in the Bible belt must not be Christian because they don’t resemble Trinity in any meaningful way. Real Christians are not full of hate. I grew up in South Carolina at a time when racism was openly acknowledged by most whites but I never heard a preacher in any church rant against black people the way Wright ranted against white people at Trinity, not even back in the fifties did I ever hear anything like that from a minister of the Gospel. I never heard it from my white school teachers either.
Please see my post #95. When USC § 1401 was amended in 1986, the age was changed from 16 to 14, the physical presence requirement was changed from "ten years, five after" to "five years, two after" that age, and the law was made to apply to those born after December 24, 1952. My previous post links to the actual statutes.
I'd be glad to learn if I have read that statute wrong, but in any case, I still have yet to read any compelling reason to suspect that Obama was not born in Hawaii, and that subsection applies only to persons born outside of the United States.
I thought the term was “natural” born citizen, which would be different than “native” born citizen.
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I probably used the wrong term, I should have said natural born citizen. It would only affect Schwartzenegger if Obama is ruled a naturalized citizen and still allowed to run. It appears that I may well have had the wrong information on requirements for being considered a natural born citizen.
I think we can be fairly certain of one thing though, Obama is a “natural born” Marxist.
Well, there is a Wayne Madsen report Saturday that his original birth records recording his birth in Kenya have been located and copies are in the hands of interested parties in DC.
There are now a couple of news reports, one in an Israel newspaper; one in an Israel newsmagazine; reporting that his grandmother and two of his siblings have stated in news interviews that they were present at his birth in Kenya.
Against that backdrop, there are no records of his birth in Hawaii--the local newspapers reported Vital Statistics in August of 1961; he doesn't appear under either the name he now uses nor any of the historical variables (Barry Dunham, etc.); nor does his mother appear in Vital Statistics reports.
The birth certificate is not a birth certificate. And they don't produce one because they can't get one for the reason that he was not born in Hawaii.
He simply isn't eligible to act as President under Article II, Sec. 1, Par. 4. If they proceed to allow him to be nominated and stand for election; if he gets elected and installed; his acts won't be legal; legal challenge will be available every time he acts. I tend to doubt that the establishment is likely to let this get that far.
Please disregard my former statement, it may have been based on incorrect information. I will now go and hang my head for awhile.
I'm with you on that.
Been there....done that..... :-)
Actually turned out to be less of a problem than anyone expected. See he was born in a place in Kenya governed by British colonial authorities who kept good records.
That would be very interesting, if true. My reading (Post #95) of the relevant statute (if correct) would seem to indicate that he is a natural born citizen even if he was born in Kenya. I’d be interested to know if any lawyers on FR read that statute differently.
I saw your post. The links we had, which doesn’t cite the 5 after change you mention was not on the immigration site that we were referencing. That site was a gov site showing current law being followed.
>>I still have yet to read any compelling reason to suspect that Obama was not born in Hawaii
Did you try asking Obama that question directly?
They have done more than ‘said’. They published all through out their news wire, “Kenyan born Obama” this, “Kenyan born Obama” that. Then, they were told to shut up.
So, feet on the ground were sent to Kenya. And a birth certificate was found. (of course, that is just rumor...until they present it).
Legal questions aside, IF Obama turned out to be verifiably born in Kenya, then the “cover up” questions would also kick in, even if he does turn out to be a “natural born” US citizen due to his mother.
What did he know and when did he know it? Surely a Haaahvahd lawyer might have been able to find out the true circumstances of his birth. Did he already know or not know, care or not care? If it’s just some big family secret that was withheld from him then enough of the public might overlook it, but if he knew and deceived America then that might well be (surely ought to be) a major electoral problem, even if the Demagogue Party tries to rally around him.
So, we really need to know the facts of his birth, even if they might not affect the “natural born” citizenship issue.
I understand that. The current law also says that it applies to persons born December 24, 1952 and later just as if it had been in effect at the time of their birth.
Did you try asking Obama that question directly?
Well, if my understanding of the statute is correct, it really makes no difference where he was born. I'll keep following the threads here, but I just don't see anything compelling right now to suggest that Obama is not a natural born citizen.
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