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Texas 'Self Defense' Shooting - Was It Worth Two Lives?
Blackvoices.com ^ | 2 July, 2008 | Madison J. Gray

Posted on 07/03/2008 5:15:19 AM PDT by marktwain

Not even a week after the Supreme Court decided that gun bans are unconstitutional, a man accused of shooting to death two burglars who were robbing his neighbor's home has been set free despite the viciousness of his act.

If you'll remember the story, Joe Horn, a 61-year-old Pasadena, Tex., resident spotted two burglars breaking into his neighbor's home in Nov. 2007. He dialed 911, but despite being warned to stay in his home, he declared that he has a right to use deadly force to defend his neighbor's property and that he was going to confront the robbers.

He does just that and then shoots them in their backs, killing them. A huge controversy ensued over whether he should stand trial in the deaths of do RiascosDiego Ortiz, 30, and Hernan Torres, 38, both Columbian immigrants.

Yesterday, a grand jury cleared him of all wrongdoing. Score another one for the gun nuts.

On Tuesday, family and activists called the killing "premeditated murder." ...

I'm not defending the two men who robbed the neighbor's home of about $2,000 in jewelry and cash. But was this worth their lives? These men were not armed, and they posed no threat to Horn, although he claims that they came into his yard.

But if you hear the 911 tapes, Horn was warned to stay in his home and let the police handle the issue. He ignored the dispatcher's orders and if you listen to the tapes you'll see that he had every intention of killing those men.

Even though Horn has expressed regret over the incident, there are supporters who swear Horn should have sawed the men's heads off and impaled them on a lamppost at the edge of his driveway. These are the people who I lose sleep over.

These are the people who love guns far more than they love anything else and are waiting for their chance to kill someone, and far too often they are looking for a nonwhite in order to get their chance. For example, the 1992 killing of Yoshihiro Hattori, a 16-year-old Japanese exchange student in Baton Rouge, La., who simply rang the wrong doorbell when looking for a Halloween party. The homeowner, Rodney Peairs, opened fire on Hattori, mortally wounding him. Peairs was later acquitted under a Louisiana law, similar to one in Texas that allows people to shoot burglars if they feel threatened.

Here's my question: If people like Horn and Peairs -- who are white -- can shoot people they feel threatened by, why is it that John White, a Long Island, N.Y., man -- who is black -- gets a jail term for defending his home when he thought a mob was coming to harm his son, which also resulted in a death.

None of the losses of life are right. The deaths are senseless, and could have been avoided if cooler heads had prevailed. But in Horn's case, he had no intention of calming down. He took the law into his own hands and now, with a Supreme Court gun decision having just passed, every firearm freak in the country will feel emboldened.

Well, here's what I have to say to them: a person who would shoot someone because they feel a gun empowers them is a sociopath with a murderous mentality. It has nothing to do with self defense, it is the mark of a weak person who would feel castrated without having a gun somewhere in their vicinity.

Point blank: If you actually love your gun, you're a punk. It takes a man to preserve life. It takes a weakling to snuff it out.

Horn, by his own admission, is an eternal victim of his weak moment.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; barfalert; horn; shooting; texas
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Dispite the anti-gun, anti-property, and anti-white remarks in the article, many of the comments at the end make the point that people are sick of being victimized by criminals, and that the laws of New York and Texas are quite different.
1 posted on 07/03/2008 5:15:19 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The criminals are responsible for their own deaths.


2 posted on 07/03/2008 5:18:13 AM PDT by agere_contra
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in a word YES it was, and just maybe criminals will think twice about their chosen profession.


3 posted on 07/03/2008 5:19:29 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: marktwain
“None of the losses of life are right”

Pertinent advice: DON'T DO THE CRIME!

4 posted on 07/03/2008 5:19:56 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: marktwain
If people like Horn and Peairs -- who are white -- can shoot people they feel threatened by, why is it that John White, a Long Island, N.Y., man -- who is black -- gets a jail term for defending his home when he thought a mob was coming to harm his son,

Let's throw in a racism charge and ignore the fact that the NY law is very different from the TX law.

5 posted on 07/03/2008 5:21:19 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing -- New York is NOT Texas, or Louisiana.

That being said, I wouldn't shoot someone running away.

6 posted on 07/03/2008 5:21:30 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (My new favorite quote "You can't organize clutter.")
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I'm not defending the two men who robbed the neighbor's home of about $2,000 in jewelry and cash. But was this worth their lives?

That's the question the two criminals should have been asking themselves. They alone bear the responsibility for the loss of their lives. I'm sure Mr. Horn's remorse is real, and I think any compassionate human being would feel similarly to him. But the reality is that two criminals are gone and will never again engage in criminal activity, and the world is better off for it.

7 posted on 07/03/2008 5:21:33 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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Texas 'Self Defense' Shooting - Was It Worth Two Lives?

Yes.

8 posted on 07/03/2008 5:21:34 AM PDT by an amused spectator (corruptissima republica, plurimae leges)
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Was It Worth Two Lives?

The two thieves certainly should have asked themselves this question. And I guess they thought it was worth it to risk their lives. Dumb decision.
9 posted on 07/03/2008 5:21:37 AM PDT by ZX12R
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The author is OK with the 20,000 Americans murdered every year, but 2 criminal deaths is more then he can stand.


10 posted on 07/03/2008 5:21:38 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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"I'm not defending the two men who robbed the neighbor's home of about $2,000 in jewelry and cash. But was this worth their lives?"

Yes....you can't 'do the time', or in this case accept the consequences for your actions, don't do the crime.

Now defending your property is RACIST??? LIEberals will only get a clue after they've been victimized, but even then I have my doubts.

11 posted on 07/03/2008 5:21:53 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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“These are the people who love guns far more than they love anything else and are waiting for their chance to kill someone, and far too often they are looking for a nonwhite in order to get their chance.”

Sounds like the definition of young black male.

Whites dont have to go looking for a non white to shoot, usually the non white shows up on his own and puts himself in that position. And you dont have to go back to 1992 to find an example of a black male shooting a white person.


12 posted on 07/03/2008 5:23:05 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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I support the Supreme Court decision.
I support Joe Horn's actions.

But I do not see these as linked. If the Constitution allows me to own a gun, that says nothing about me being able to shoot people. Two different things. This Liberal writer is trying to equate gun ownership with killing people. That's BS.

13 posted on 07/03/2008 5:23:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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Here's my question: If people like Horn and Peairs -- who are white -- can shoot people they feel threatened by, why is it that John White, a Long Island, N.Y., man -- who is black -- gets a jail term for defending his home when he thought a mob was coming to harm his son, which also resulted in a death.

Here's the author's answer, plain and simple: Had John White been white, he would have been given the same punishment. It's the idiotic legislation/legislators in the area, not skin color that is the determining factor in his case.

14 posted on 07/03/2008 5:23:53 AM PDT by edpc (Tagline Currently Under Construction)
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My stuff is not worth my life. But my stuff is certainly worth the life of any sleazebag that wants to take it.

/johnny

15 posted on 07/03/2008 5:24:28 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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Had the thieves stumbled in when the homeowner was home, killed the homeowner, and took the 2000 in jewelry we wouldn’t hear a peep from these liberals.


16 posted on 07/03/2008 5:24:42 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: marktwain

Comparing this to the tragic death of Hattori is sick.


17 posted on 07/03/2008 5:25:06 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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I'm not defending the two men who robbed the neighbor's home of about $2,000 in jewelry and cash. But was this worth their lives?

Yes.

18 posted on 07/03/2008 5:25:47 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: marktwain

This dim twit needs to do some introspection on the black community and comment on what happened to Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.


19 posted on 07/03/2008 5:26:24 AM PDT by rjsimmon
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No mention if these two dirt nappers were here LEGALLY. Guess that question wouldn't be politically correct.

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20 posted on 07/03/2008 5:27:04 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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