Soy foods 'reduce sperm numbers'

BBC ^ | July 23, 2008 | Grant Junkie

[Eric Blair 2084]

A regular diet of even modest amounts of food containing soy may halve sperm concentrations, suggest scientists. The study, published in the journal Human Reproduction, found 41 million fewer sperm per millilitre of semen after just one portion every two days. The authors said plant oestrogens in foods such as tofu, soy mince or milk may interfere with hormonal signals. However, a UK expert stressed that most men in Asia eat more soy-based products with no fertility problems.

Oestrogenic compounds in food or the environment have been of concern for a number of years, but we have mostly thought that it was boys exposed in the uterus before birth who were most at risk Dr Allan Pacey Sheffield University Animal studies have suggested that large quantities of soy chemicals in food could affect fertility, but other studies looking at consumption in humans have had contradictory findings. The Harvard School of Public Health study looked at the diets of 99 men who had attended a fertility clinic with their partners and provided a semen sample. The men were divided into four groups depending on how much soy they ate, and when the sperm concentration of men eating the most soy was compared with those eating the least, there was a significant difference. The "normal" sperm concentration for a man is between 80 and 120 million per millilitre, and the average of men who ate on average a portion of soy-based food every other day was 41 million fewer. Dr Jorge Chavarro, who led the study, said that chemicals called isoflavones in the soy might be affecting sperm production. These chemicals can have similar effects to the human hormone oestrogen.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Rush Limbaugh nailed this today. His thoughts were exactly the same as mine. Maybe I've been listening to him for so long that subconsciously I knew what he would make of this.

Who eats soy?

Radical vegetarians for the most part.

What political persuasion are PETA folks?

Leftists. Libs.

Who aborts their children?

Leftists. Liberals.

For all of the arguments against Darwinism, chalk this up as one for Darwin.

Maybe this nonsense will take care of itself in 600 years when all of the liberals are extinct.

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[Texas Eagle]

UK expert stressed that most men in Asia eat more soy-based products with no fertility problems.

Well, yes, that would seem to contradict the experts' findings.

Oh, well. Back to the drawing board, boys.

Try lentils this time. That should be worth at least a ten million Euro grant I should think, wot?

[Natchez Hawk]

So that is why is there are a billion Chinese?

[Eric Blair 2084]

Your common sense will ruin any chance that eggheads like this will ever get any more of your tax dollars to waste on studies.

Please shut up. They have families to feed too. :-)

[max americana]

Then I’ll avoid soy and stick to the American diet...

Cheeseburgers, beer. steak and hot chicks.

[Little Pig]

And, there are only a billion (just over, actually) because their government wiped out significant percentages of the population a couple of decades ago, and also forcibly restricts families to one child each. And further, the majority of the soy is eaten by the rural population, which is where the majority of the growth is coming from.

[Clemenza]

Ping!

[Texas Eagle]

Heh, heh. Back to The Principal's office I go.

No need for directions. I know the way by heart.

[Coleus]

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[Natchez Hawk]

Bingo!

[M203M4]

isoflavones in the soy might be affecting sperm production. These chemicals can have similar effects to the human hormone oestrogen.

No way, this is an incredibly weak effect. Something as significant as a 40 out of 80-120 drop in sperm count cannot be solely due to isoflavones. More likely is that the overall diet correlated with high consumption of soy is the culprit. Reduced sperm counts (and low testosterone in general) are common;y due to diets low in fat, especially diets low in cholesterol (yes, cholesterol is NECESSARY, for males especially). Eggs, red meat, and shellfish are all likely lacking in a large number of diets of those consuming lots of soy products.

So nothing is wrong with soy, per se. The problem is cutting out important protein and fat sources from one's diet.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Ironically, this is one of those bogus studies that I wish were true.

The thought of PETA men firing blanks or PETA women...well, forget it. They don’t want to get pregnant. It increases their carbon footprint and adds to a world that eats animals...it’s probably best they take themselves voluntarily out of the gene pool.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Dude, you are too smart. Seriously.

Take a step back and try to get the joke. If you take this nonsense too seriously you will make yourself physically ill and just get angry.

[Disambiguator]

The thought of PETA men firing blanks or PETA women...well, forget it. They don’t want to get pregnant. It increases their carbon footprint and adds to a world that eats animals...it’s probably best they take themselves voluntarily out of the gene pool.

One of my favorite enviro-lib-whacko organizations.

[TigersEye]

Good! Just one more way tofu eating liberals reduce their numbers. ; )

[Mr. Brightside]

ELAINE: Listen, Kramer, you know, if you ever want to have kids you shouldn’t wear briefs. Boxers are much better for your sperm count.

KRAMER Sperm count? Well how many ssssperm should I have?

ELAINE: A lot.

[Texas Eagle]

The thought of PETA men firing blanks or PETA women...well, forget it.

PETAmen don't like PETAwomen. They're icky.

[Gabz]

Real men do eat tofu .........and quiche!

Juat ask my husband.........and our 10yo daughter :)

Quiche just happens to be the dinner menu for tomorrow — crabmeat, cheese and spinach quiche to be exact.

[Larry Lucido]

A soy diet on a date probably seriously reduces your chance of getting laid.

[Eric Blair 2084]

crabmeat, cheese and spinach quiche...

That sounds good. What time should I be over?

I’m like a stray cat. Where the food is free, you’ll find me.

You won’t be able to get rid of me.

[CaptainK]

I read an article that noted the Chinese and Japanese use mostly fermented soy which supposedly is a healthy form.

It's when unfermented soy is processed into foods that health problems can crop up.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Eric Blair 2084]

If your date is a vegetarian or only eats soy...

Run. Run like the wind. Run and never look back. You’ll thank me later.

Although if you are interested Howard Stern had a funny bit to take advantage of PETA chicks. He made them perform unnatural acts under the threat of hurting an animal....he would threaten to boil a lobster, cut off a chickens head and cook it...

These PETA women will do anything to save an animal. Try it.

[Natchez Hawk]

fermentation truly does improve almost anythin—*hiccup*

[Poincare]

...Chinese and Japanese use mostly fermented soy which supposedly is a healthy form.

Yes, fermented and aged. It took 22 posts for this truth to appear. The idiot "UK expert" in the article got it wrong. Unfermented soy products are eaten by Eastern monks and religious pilgrims to quell earthly desires.

[Califreak]

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03summary.htm

Soy’s bad in all kinds of ways!

More at link.

[My hearts in London - Everett]

That's what I just read yesterday also. Non-fermented soy (hummus, etc) is not good for men or post-menopausal women. Fermented soy ~ tempe, miso and nato (SP?) are ok. From the info in the following video it also appears to interfere with protein and mineral absorption and thyroid function.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZs0DGW1Jk&NR=1

[Gabz]

I have enough stray cats here,, thankyouverymuch........

Dinner will be about 8:30.

Expect at least one cat attempting to get into you lap as you eat. I had 3 this evening, and I was eating bratwurst and sauerkraut.

[Gabz]

hummus is good for EVERYONE. There is no soy in hummus.

Hummus is chickpeas, sesame, garlic, lemon, and olive oil.

[My hearts in London - Everett]

Hummus is chickpeas, sesame, garlic, lemon, and olive oil.

yuck! That's why I don't eat it! It looks disgusting. I thought it was a form of tofu, cause that looks disgusting also! lol

[Gabz]

Try it, you’ll like it.

I’m gonna make a big ol’ batch of it tomorrow, we love it in this house. 3 cans of chickpeas and 2 entire heads of garlic!!!!

[My hearts in London - Everett]

No thanks! I may eat organic and shop at health food stores, but I still prefer to eat my steak, potatoes, etc. :~)

[SolidWood]

No more soy for me. Never again.

[GATOR NAVY]

Natto. My wife eats it almost every day.

I don't.

[ari-freedom]

yeah if they were smart they would try to convince conservatives to eat more soy products.

oh wait they do

[ari-freedom]

mmm hummus

[libertarian27]

I’m gonna make a big ol’ batch of it tomorrow, we love it in this house. 3 cans of chickpeas and 2 entire heads of garlic!!!!

Mmmmm, I'll be over!!!

[Calpernia]

April 2005 Newsletter, Vol. 4, No. 4

Soy – Food, Wonder Drug, or Poison?

Soy-food consuming populations of people, like the Chinese and Japanese, have a much lower incidence of heart disease, osteoporosis, and cancer of the breast and prostate. From this observation, many researchers have come to the conclusion that ingredients in the soybean have anticancer, antihypertensive, and anti-cholesterol benefits, and also act as a natural alternative to hormone replacement therapy. Soy foods have become synonymous with health food and vegetarianism. Their popularity is tied to the belief that soy has “wonder-drug” benefits – so powerful that many people suppose they can safely eat their bacon and eggs for breakfast as long as they finish off their morning meal with a cup of soy yogurt.

However, there is a dark side to the soy story that warns that these foods may increase your risk for cancer, impair your thyroid, immune, and brain function, and cause you bone loss and reproductive problems. Fortunately, these worries are relevant mostly for people lured into consuming “fake foods” synthesized from man-made components of soy and other foods, and high potency soy supplements – not for those who consume traditional soy foods as a small portion of their diet.

Soy’s Effects Are Usually Inconsequential

In Asian countries, soy is consumed as boiled soybeans (edamame), tofu (soybean curd), natto (fermented soybeans), miso (fermented soybean paste), okara (a by-product of tofu), soybean sprouts, soymilk, yuba (by-product of soy milk), kinako (soy flour), and soy sauce. These foods are made from simple processes like grinding, precipitation, and fermentation – thus, most of soy’s ingredients remain little altered. Less than 5% of daily calories in the typical diet of Japanese or Chinese people comes from soybeans.1 This amounts to about 2 ounces (55 to 64 grams) derived from soy foods daily, which means only 7 to 8 grams of protein and 15 to 45 milligrams of the estrogen-like phytochemical known as isoflavone. How could this tiny amount of soy food make a measurable difference – positive or negative – to the health of Asians?

The primary reason these people are so hardy is that the Asian diet is based on a starch – rice – with generous amounts of vegetables and fruits. Starches are ideal foods for human nutrition and have many desirable nutritional qualities – they are low in fat, moderate in protein, high in carbohydrates, and contain no cholesterol. The Asian diet also contains few animal products. Any unique pharmacologic benefits from eating soy are unnoticeable compared to the impact of these people’s overall diet. (For a discussion of the benefits of starches, see my April 2004 newsletter article: People – Not Their Words – Tell “The Carbohydrate Story.”)

Soy – Detrimental or Beneficial

The truth behind soy is clouded by emotional reactions from the anti-soy movement of hard-core meat-eaters and soy-loving vegetarians – and as usual, money from big businesses, the soy manufacturers. Most of the rhetoric on both sides of the argument is of no real importance – the real issue is whether you are consuming small amounts traditional soy foods or making yourself a diet of synthetic foods.

The Seven Main Arguments:

Argument 1: Anti-nutrients

Detrimental: Soy contains “anti-nutrients,” which interfere with the digestion of proteins (trypsin inhibitors) and the absorption of minerals (phytic acid).

Beneficial: These “anti-nutrient” substances are deactivated by cooking and fermentation. Cooking before consumption is not unique to soybeans – no other beans, peas, or lentils are eaten “raw.” Although adverse effects on experimental animals have been demonstrated, there is no direct evidence as to the physiological effects of the trypsin inhibitors on humans.2 Interestingly, Phytic acid has anticancer effects in animal models for both colon and breast cancer.3

Argument 2: Cancer

Detrimental: Soy has estrogen-like activity that may promote the growth of estrogen-sensitive cancers (breast and prostate), especially for those people who already have cancer.4-5

Beneficial: Breast and prostate cancer rates are four to six times lower in Japan and China than Western countries. In laboratory studies, isoflavone from soy can inhibit the growth of breast cancer and prostate cancer tissues.6

Argument 3: Heart Disease

Detrimental: Benefits on heart disease are largely unproven and are really due to the low-fat, low-cholesterol qualities of the Asian diet.

Beneficial: People living in countries with more soy in their diet, for example Japan, have a much lower risk of heart attacks. Experimental research consistently shows soy foods cause a decrease in total and “bad” LDL cholesterol, and an increase in “good” HDL-cholesterol.7-8 Products containing at least 6.25 grams of soy protein per serving are now allowed to carry a FDA-approved claim on their label; stating a low-fat, low-cholesterol diet containing at least 25 grams (about one ounce) of soy protein a day may reduce one’s risk of heart disease.

Argument 4: Sex Hormones

Detrimental: Twelve ounces of soy milk drunk three times a day for one month will decrease a woman’s estradiol and progesterone levels, and her menstrual cycle length will be increased by about four days.9 These effects may cause infertility and contribute to bone loss.

Beneficial: Chinese and Japanese are among the most prolific baby-makers in the world. Phytoestrogens have both a weak estrogen-stimulating (estrogenic) and paradoxically, an estrogen-inhibiting (anti-estrogenic) activity. The estrogen-like activities may strengthen bones and prevent menopausal symptoms like hot flashes. Hot flashes are reported by 70% to 80% of US menopausal women compared to 10 to 14% of women in Japan and Singapore.10 The anti-estrogen activity reduces the risk of breast and uterine cancer.

Argument 5: Thyroid

Detrimental: Goiter and hypothyroidism have been reported in infants receiving soy formula. Autoimmune diseases of the thyroid and thyroid cancer may also be caused by exposure to soy.11-12

Beneficial: The addition of adequate iodine to the diet reverses any goiter-causing effects of soy. Population studies suggest soy protects against thyroid cancer.13

Argument 6: Immune System

Detrimental: In experimental studies, soy isoflavone suppresses the immune system, and reduces the size of the thymus gland. There are reports of a decrease in antibodies, white blood cells, and other indications of immune system malfunction with soy consumption.14-19

Beneficial: Soy isoflavone enhances the immune response and provides a possible explanation for lower incidence of certain cancers in soy-eating parts of the world.20,21 The pain of arthritis has been helped by soy through modulating the immune system.22

Argument 7: Brain Health

Detrimental: A recent study of middle-aged Japanese-Americans living in Hawaii found adults consuming tofu had reduced brain function, accelerated brain aging and some structural changes in their brains that might be related to Alzheimer’s disease.23

Beneficial: Alzheimer’s disease and other forms of dementia are less common in Asian compared to Western populations.24 Recent studies have actually shown improvement in brain functions with the use of soy supplements.25,26

In summary, population studies fail to support real-life soy-caused diseases, experimental data is inconsistent, and the larger components of the diet (starches, vegetables, and fruits) are most likely the reason for the superior health of soy consuming peoples.

The Whole Is Healthier Than the Parts

Over the past two decades there has been an explosion on the supermarket shelves of soy products that resemble our favorite meat and dairy products. I often refer to these as “fake foods.” Manufacturing processes remove the dietary fibers, carbohydrates, fats, vitamins, minerals, and hundreds of other helpful plant chemicals – leaving behind almost pure soy protein.

These protein concentrates are mixed with extracts of wheat protein, vegetable oils, and sometimes, starch, sugar, salt, artificial sweeteners, and dairy and egg proteins – then the magic of modern technology turns these mixtures into products that look and taste like real cheese, hot dogs, sausages, burgers, luncheon meats, chicken, and turkey. Soy protein is used to replace dairy protein in candy bars, yogurt, ice cream, breads, pastries and cookies. You can identify the synthesized concentrated proteins on the ingredient list of your foods by these words: defatted soy flour, organic textured soy flour, textured vegetable protein, isolated soy protein, soy protein concentrates, and soy concentrates. These new “foods” in no way resemble nature’s creations and the effects on your health make that clear.

Calcium Loss and Cancer Growth from Protein Concentrates

Concentrated dairy (cow-milk) protein, when consumed by people, causes large and important loses of calcium contributing to osteoporosis and kidney stones. You would hope that replacement with soy protein concentrates would eliminate this health hazard. Unfortunately, recent research on people has demonstrated that the addition of 40 grams of concentrated soy protein to a diet, already low in protein (40 to 50 grams daily) and high in calcium (1100 mg daily), causes significant net losses of calcium from the body.27 Other research shows isolated soy protein is just as damaging as meat protein to the bones.28

Another recent study showed how 40 grams of soy or cow-milk protein concentrate added to the diet significantly increases levels of a powerful cancer-promoting growth hormone, called Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 – IGF-1.29 However, soy protein was almost twice as powerful as the milk protein concentrate – doubling the levels of IGF-1 with 40 grams of soy protein isolate. This growth promoter has been strongly linked to the development of cancer of the breast, prostate, lung, and colon.30 Excess IGF-1 stimulates cell proliferation and inhibits cell death – two activities you definitely don’t want when cancer cells are involved. 30

What does 40 grams of isolated soy protein mean to you? In real life, a person seeking excellent health by following a low-protein version of the McDougall diet with 1100 mg of calcium (which would have to be added with a calcium supplement) becomes at risk for osteoporosis, kidney stones, and cancer with the daily addition of a soy “candy bar” and a soy shake. One soy “chicken” patty for lunch and 2 soy burgers for dinner will also add that 40 grams of isolated protein daily – and so will just four soy breakfast patties. Now soy has real meaning in your life.

The effects of adding soy protein concentrates on people already consuming the bone-losing, high-animal-protein Western diet (100 to 160 grams of protein daily), or worse yet, the Atkins diet (up to 300 grams daily) have yet to be determined.31 Because of the very low incidence of osteoporosis, and breast and prostate cancer, among people who consume traditional soybean foods, there is every reason to believe that only the synthetic soy foods need to be of concern. (Studies have yet to be done to specifically test the effects of traditional foods in laboratory settings – in the meantime, we will keep these as a small part of our diet.)

Pharmaceutical-grade Soy Hormones

Phytochemicals found in plants are important ingredients for radiant health, but must be consumed in their natural packages – like the traditional soy foods – to reap the most benefits with the least risks. After isolation from their natural environment – the soybean – these chemicals unquestionably become pharmaceuticals.

Manufacturing processes concentrate the pharmacologic ingredients of soy into powerful drugs sold to women to treat menopausal symptoms and osteoporosis. Unfortunately, drugs have side effects. A concentrated preparations of isoflavone, sold as Novasoy®, and mixtures of the active chemicals (isoflavone and/or genistin), have been shown to be strong promoters of breast cancer growth in animals.33 Long-term treatment (up to 5 years) with soy isoflavone preparations was associated with an increased occurrence of endometrial hyperplasia in women – a precancerous condition of the female uterus.34

Soy Infant Formula

Soy baby formula is synthesized from pure sugar (corn syrup), oil (safflower), and protein (soy protein isolate) – this is the epitome of “fake food” – especially when considering the potential consequences. Approximately 1.4 million (36%) infants per year in the United States receive soy formula. Because 100% of the dietary protein and isoflavone that the baby gets is from soy, the chemical compounds reach levels many times higher than the levels found in adults who consume soy foods – and even exceed concentrations shown to be toxic in laboratory experiments. For example, daily exposure to estrogen-like compounds from soy formula results in levels 6 to 11 times higher in infants than the level that will cause changes in the menstrual cycle of women.35-36

The reason so little is known about the harmful effects of feeding soy formula to babies is that these effects in real life situations have not been adequately studied. However, some indication of the sensitivity of a baby to soy’s estrogen-like effects might be learned from a recent study finding birth defects of the genitalia of male infants (hypospadia) born to mothers who consumed large amounts of soy products.37

Reserve Traditional Soy foods for Special

Despite concerns, there is no definite evidence that traditional soy foods are harmful at levels customarily consumed. Consider the hundreds of millions of people living in Japan, consuming soy products throughout their life – and they enjoy the longest life expectancy in the world (Japanese women are expected to live 84.93 years, compared to US women to 79.5 years; and Japanese men to 78.07 years, compared to 74.1 years for US men).

However, soybeans and their by-products should be thought of as rich foods – naturally high in fat and protein. In their traditional forms consider them as delicacies – and you should consume them as you might other plant food delicacies – nuts, seeds, avocados, and olives – in small amounts on special occasions.

[for nutrional charts and full references, see full article at http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400.htm]
www.drmcdougall.com

Think before you eat.
www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

[-YYZ-]

“hummus is good for EVERYONE.”

Well, being made from legumes, it does have some, er... negative effects for some people. Personally I love the stuff, but it doesn’t love me.

[RepoGirl]

Hey, Gabz, whenever you feel like jetting me a copy of that recipe, I'd be your bestest freeper fan for life. That quiche sounds wonderful.

[jmc813]

Who eats soy? Radical vegetarians for the most part.

I'm about as carnivorous as you can get, and I crush sushi with soy sauce at least 2-3 times a week.

[jmc813]

Hey, Gabz, whenever you feel like jetting me a copy of that recipe, I'd be your bestest freeper fan for life. That quiche sounds wonderful.

While you're at it, I'd be very interested in your recipe/proportions of hummus. That's one foood I love experimenting with.

[Rick.Donaldson]

This is a load of nonsense and it’s been brought out by some of the so-called “Survivalists” that took over the real survival lists many years ago, before the internet got big.

Our lists were taken over by kooks and creeps who were anti-government, and were complaining about things like fluoride in the water, soy beans, and “government control”, Big Brother, you name it.

Instead of our lists being what they were initially, that is sharing information on how to track animals, kill a deer, and how to prepare the meat, or how to make bows and arrows, we ended up being taken over by idiots and fools who push stupid junk science.

[Rick.Donaldson]

No, real people don’t eat that stuff. YUK.

[numberonepal]

Daddy’s don’t eat soy due to the fact that soy acts like estrogens in the body - that means testosterone to estrogen ratios being out of whack. Which means prostate and other sexual problems. And for goodness sake folks, DO NOT feed young boys ANYTHING with soy.

[My hearts in London - Everett]

On that subject today on WND:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39253

[kalee]

ping

[kalee]

My husband loves my chocolate pie recipe, but our son won’t eat it now that he knows it has tofu in it.
Easiest pie recipe ever and tastes soooo rich.
Tiny pieces with real whipped cream and raspberries...special treat not served very often.

[neverdem]

thanks, bfl