[LomanBill]

[What percentage of the population had computers in '82 vs now?]

 

I'd suspect 1982 Televisions used way more energy than today's energy efficient PC's.  10 years before that they were using vacuum tubes.  Before PC's EVERYBODY had a TV, and most homes had 2 or 3.

 

When was the last time you heard of a house fire caused by an overloaded electrical socket?  Pretty rare isn't it; yet  electrical overload was a common cause of house fires back in the 60's and 70's.  Just ask any fireman.

 

Why is that?  Energy efficiency.   When folks plug half a dozen modern items into a power strip, the current drawn is significantly less than the equivalent items in the past.

 

 

[It's not where they are manufactured it's having the electricity to power them.]

 

Show me the numbers then.  Compare a modern LCD big screen TV with one half the size of 1992 vintage.

 

[why are emissions higher now?]

 

I think you've been drinking too much of Al Gore's Kool-Aid.

 

Many of us here remember when rivers burned and the air was so polluted that just being outside made our eyes and lungs burn. 

 

The truth is the environmental situation has VASTLY improved since then; it's an observable fact to those of us who've lived through it.  

 

So what do the elites do?  They invent this invisible CO2 boogey man to herd the sheeple with.

 

IF emissions are higher, maybe it has something to do with the increase in population from 1.6 billion in 1900 to >6.5 billion today. 

 

Personally, I think population reduction is the ultimate objective of all this fear-mongering.   Environmental stress reduces reproductively among mammals.  It's a physiological response that is natural and observable - and being observable makes it exploitable; just like the solar sunspot cycle that's driving global climate change.

 

Funny you mention 2012.  IIRC, that's about the time the solar cycle peaks and temps will start to cool off.  Seems to me the Branch Algorians are trying to time it so they can claim responsibility "Whoopee! We saved the planet".

 

Next they'll be claiming to be able to make the Sun go dark...  Presto chango - Appocalypto!

[TigersEye]

I think you've been drinking too much of Al Gore's Kool-Aid.

I think you're being intentionally disingenuous. I'm not saying anything about believing that CO2 emissions are actually a problem. I have posted this over and over again to show people that greenhouse warming is baloney. The point I am making here is that John McCain believes in Global Warming even more strongly than Algore and he has done more than any other politician to put America under the thumb of the UN and the enviro-weenies. He is the author of the original Cap & Trade legislation McCain/Lieberman.

McCain planning climate change tour

McCain's Letter (McCain aligns with Global Enviro activists)

The Turning Point on Global Warming (McCain and Lieberman Op-Ed Alert)

Climate bill sets stage for debate (Sens. McCain, Obama, and Lieberman join forces)

McCain: Global warming is fact, must be addressed [hurl alert]

McCain Sides With Leading Dems on Global Warming (NH voter reminder ALERT

EIA's Analysis of the Lieberman-McCain Climate Change Bill Human Events

McCain's Nose-Under-the-Tent Strategy - McCain's "Climate Stewardship Act" (S. 139), co-sponsored with Senator Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.)

Kyoto Through the Back Door? A Debate on the Lieberman –McCain Climate Stewardship Act - Heritage Foundation

Promising Vote on Global Warming - "But Mr. McCain, as we know, does not give up easily. ... He promises to be just as tenacious on this issue."

I get the feeling that you like the Cap & Trade plan from your persistent counter-arguments. That makes you the Algore fan.

[TigersEye]

When was the last time you heard of a house fire caused by an overloaded electrical socket? Pretty rare isn't it; yet electrical overload was a common cause of house fires back in the 60's and 70's. Just ask any fireman. Why is that? Energy efficiency.

LOL No, that's because they used to allow aluminum house wiring. YOU need to talk to a fireman.

[TigersEye]

Many of us here remember when rivers burned and the air was so polluted that just being outside made our eyes and lungs burn. The truth is the environmental situation has VASTLY improved since then; it's an observable fact to those of us who've lived through it.

Yeah, I lived through it too. That is totally irrelevant to anything I have said.

[TigersEye]

IF emissions are higher, maybe it has something to do with the increase in population from 1.6 billion in 1900 to >6.5 billion today.

Really??? No kidding??? That's what I already said.

Except I was only talking about increases in U.S. population and emissions which is what Cap & Trade is about.