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Military Advantage in History
Mother Jones ^ | July, 2002, Declassified August, 2008 | Office/Sec./Defense/Net Assessment

Posted on 08/06/2008 4:16:07 PM PDT by gandalftb

This paper examines the nature of military advantage by exploring the character of major hegemonic powers in history and seeks to gain a better understanding of what drives US military advantage; where US vulnerabilities may lie; and how the US should think about maintaining its military advantage in the future.

Case studies of Macedonia under Alexander the Great, Imperial Rome, the Mongols, and Napoleonic France compose the core of the analysis as they illustrate important themes that remain relevant to the US' position today.

The case studies focus on two key questions:

What were the sources of military advantage in history?

What made military advantage enduring or temporary in nature?

(Excerpt) Read more at motherjones.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; history; milhist; military; motherjones
The pdf is a little scratchy, but readable. Must reading, although broad in nature. Quote:

"The Roman model suggests that it is possible for the United States to maintain its military advantage for centuries if it remains capable of transforming its forces before an opponent can develop counter-capabilities. Transformation coupled with strong strategic institutions is a powerful combination for an adversary to overcome."

1 posted on 08/06/2008 4:16:08 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: gandalftb; Interesting Times; zot
Haven't read it yet, but I will.

Thanks for the post.

Regards,

TS

2 posted on 08/06/2008 4:20:49 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.ToSetTheRecordStraight.com/www.swiftvets.com/www.wintersoldier.com-The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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Ping!


3 posted on 08/06/2008 4:21:57 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.ToSetTheRecordStraight.com/www.swiftvets.com/www.wintersoldier.com-The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: gandalftb
You here a lot of talk about the U.S. going the way of Rome, but people forget Rome was top dog for centuries after the fall of the Republic and in the East lasted another millennium. Not a bad run.
4 posted on 08/06/2008 4:29:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: colorado tanker

Amen, especially considering the number of foreign mercenary/troops in the Roman legions, slow communication and transport, and capable enemies.


5 posted on 08/06/2008 4:36:14 PM PDT by gandalftb ("War educates the senses" (Emerson))
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To: gandalftb

Is it the case that this small book-length piece has been published in the Mother Jones magazine, or is it available as a separate item from MJ?


6 posted on 08/06/2008 4:36:25 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: gandalftb
here = hear

Doh!

7 posted on 08/06/2008 4:40:15 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: gandalftb
Great read, and thanks for posting. This is very much a Naval War College-style product and one wonders what the staff of Mother Jones must have thought of it.

Two (of many) extant points appear worth a quick comment - military advantage is not the only descriptor of a hegemon, nor was it for the Romans, whose political culture was at least as influential as its legions. Hegemony, therefore, must have military advantage among other influences in order to be complete.

In all three models, however, the Macedonian, Roman, and Mongol, the military was far more influential within its host society than the U.S. military is within its. There is peril here in analogy - the older Greek culture enjoyed a considerable cultural hegemony over both the Macedonians and the Romans, and the older Arab culture a similar cultural hegemony over the invading Mongols by way of religion (and the earlier Seljuk and the later Ottomsn Turks). Who then shall be declared master? Is there a similar European cultural hegemony over the United States, and what are the merits of the persistent complaints that it's working the other direction?

Clearly these are matters outside the scope of this paper. But any general application of power geopolitics cannot be restricted to military advantage if it is to begin to explain what appears to me to be an unprecedented world alignment. I suspect, though, that the "adapt or die" message of the paper might be applied very much beyond military advantage in this consideration.

Just some quick thoughts. More later after a thorough read.

8 posted on 08/06/2008 4:47:36 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Elsiejay

No, not yet, they just scanned the actual doc into a pdf. If anyone gets a digital pdf, please post it and ping me, thanks. It will be a lot easier to read.


9 posted on 08/06/2008 5:31:04 PM PDT by gandalftb ("War educates the senses" (Emerson))
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To: Billthedrill
Good points, much of the Roman Empire's similarity to us is really more similar to our occupations of Germany and S Korea, and to a limited extent Iraq and Afghanistan.

In those occupations, we projected power through NATO, which is more closely modeled on those many Roman Legions that rarely ever saw Rome were often foreign-speaking troops.

Roman control was cemented by Roman currency and Roman weights and measures. That forced Roman language and political culture which still endures.

Not sure I agree on the Macedonians, they were a rough, warlike, and crude culture within Greece and were rarely accepted into polite company.

Good points never-the-less, and this paper needs much study to get its points.

10 posted on 08/06/2008 5:46:48 PM PDT by gandalftb ("War educates the senses" (Emerson))
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To: The Shrew

Thanks for the ping.


11 posted on 08/06/2008 6:47:30 PM PDT by zot
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To: indcons

I haven’t read this yet, but it looks suitable for the Military History ping list


12 posted on 08/06/2008 7:06:23 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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Thanks for the ping, Kevmo.

Military history ping


13 posted on 08/07/2008 5:01:49 AM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: indcons

Interesting read. Thanks for the ping.


14 posted on 08/07/2008 5:14:28 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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Thanks gandalftb for the topic and indcons for the ping.
"The Roman model suggests that it is possible for the United States to maintain its military advantage for centuries if it remains capable of transforming its forces before an opponent can develop counter-capabilities. Transformation coupled with strong strategic institutions is a powerful combination for an adversary to overcome."
The Romans brought auxiliaries into their infrastructure, which kept potential enemies on the payroll and out of the reaving business, which was smart, and incorporating their battle tactics into the overall approach. Then, beginning with Augustus, half the Roman land forces (not counting the Praetorian Guard) were auxiliaries, and it didn't take many generations for the regular legions to fill up with ethnic groups from around Italy and the empire.

The spectacular success of the Roman army was in its maintenance of the mostly fixed borders and eliminating piracy on the seven seas, all with a fairly small force (circa 260,000) out of an imperial population (at its peak) of 50,000,000, meanwhile feeding 400,000 layabouts in the capital using the bread dole.

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15 posted on 08/07/2008 10:50:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: gandalftb

“Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit,” says the Lord.

Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.


16 posted on 08/07/2008 11:11:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: gandalftb

I am unfamiliar with pdf, not having used it except to read stuff on-line. Is there any way to save this besides printing it out? I am unable to print at the moment.


17 posted on 08/07/2008 1:27:22 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
Is there any way to save this besides printing it out?

The Adobe viewer that I use has an icon that looks like a diskette at the upper left (next to the printer icon). When you pass the cursor over it, it says 'save file as'. Click on it, then save like you would any file.

18 posted on 08/07/2008 4:27:31 PM PDT by PAR35
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