Obama Citizenship Controversy - Did Obama Travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian Passport? A Summary.

Many, many different sources | July & August of 2008 | TechDude, Pamela Geller, TexasDarlin, Judah Benjamin, etc

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Originally Pamela Geller had the action in this story:

ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY

CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

Sunday, July 20, 2008

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

But since then, the momentum has shifted to TexasDarlin, over at Wordpress:

*Breaking* Sister Maya’s Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate [Update]

August 5, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/breaking-sister-mayas-birth-certificate-used-to-forge-obamas/

 

*BREAKING* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands [UPDATE]

August 10, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/breaking-barry-soetoros-birth-certificate-in-republican-hands/

 

Obama’s Dual Citizenship Disaster: an Overview

August 10, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/obamas-dual-citizenship-disaster-an-overview/

Unfortunately, I think that TexasDarlin may have been getting threats from the Obamanation kooks [possibly to include death threats], so today she invoked Wordpress protection on her blog, and now she requires that you have a Wordpress account to log in and view her work & the work of her correspondents.

 

Anyway, the working theory right now is that:

1) Barack Jr was born somewhere in the world in August of 1961 - where exactly, we are not absolutely certain - but we do know that in early 1962, Stanley Ann Dunham and little Barack Jr surfaced in the state of Washington, alone & abandoned by the birth father:

Obama's mother known here as "uncommon"

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html

 

...By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill...

2) Circa 1965/1966, Stanley Ann Dunham consented to allow Barack Jr to be adopted [probably in Hawaii] by Lolo Soetoro, and Barack Jr came to be known [legally] as Barry Soetoro. At that time, the original 1961 birth records were [probably] sealed by court order, and Barry Soetoro moved to Indonesia with his new step-father & legal guardian, Lolo Soetoro.

 

3) As a child in Indonesia, Barry Soetoro [probably] became an Indonesian citizen, and Indonesia is a nation which does NOT allow dual citizenship.

 

4) Circa 1970, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro sent Barry Soetoro "home" to Hawaii, to be adopted by Madelyn Payne Dunham & Stanley Armour Dunham. Because the second adoption was a little dicey, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro [probably] asked Barack Hussein Obama Sr to fly in from Kenya and testify that he was the birth father [which would tend to indicate that the original birth certificate from 1961 did NOT list a father]. According to this theory, it would have been at that time, circa 1970, when the two famous "airport" photographs of Barack Hussein Obama Sr were snapped:

 

5) Barack Jr then lived in Hawaii, as a teenager, in the 1970's, with the legal name "Barry Dunham" [as he was known in high school], but made the mistake of not firmly "re-establishing" his American citizenship at that time [assuming he was ever an American citizen in the first place], and continued to carry an Indonesian passport.

 

6) And here's the kicker: In 1981, as a 19- or 20-year-old adult, Barack Jr made the further monstrous mistake of travelling to Pakistan to visit his mother, on an Indonesian passport - the passport of a nation which does NOT allow dual citizenship - thereby proving that there was a period in his life, as an adult, during which Barack Jr considered himself to have been a citizen of Indonesia and NOT a citizen of the United States of America.

 

7) The Obama people know about this Indonesian mess, and the lack of dual citizenship in Indonesia, and were rummaging around in Obama's State Department file to try to cover it up:

Chief of firm involved in breach is Obama adviser

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/04/07/2004333752.jpg

Under this theory, it would also be the reason that Obama is vacationing in Hawaii at the moment - as a cover story for going to Grandma Dunham and telling her to keep her mouth shut about everything she knows until the election & the inauguration are over, and to try to destroy as much evidence & contact as many old friends of the family as possible and get them to go into hiding like Grandma Dunham.

 

8) Finally, people believe that the Clintons know all about the mess as well, and that this was the reason for Bill Clinton's bizarre choice of words recently in addressing the question of his support for Obama:

Bill Clinton, given golden opportunity, fails to endorse Barack Obama

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/04/2008-08-04_bill_clinton_given_golden_opportunity_fa.html

 

..."I never was mad at Sen. Obama," Bubba said. "I think everybody's got a right to run for President who qualifies under the Constitution. And I'd be the last person to begrudge anybody their ambition"...

The thinking is that the feces will hit the fan shortly before [or maybe after] the DEM convention, and that, during the crisis, the DEMs will turn to Hillary and ask her to be their nominee in Obama's stead.

[usmcobra]

Actually they worked for an Obama supporter, they may have been removing something.

[Beckwith]

Since my grandparents all came from Ireland, I can legally apply for and receive an Irish passport without jeopardizing my American passport.

Best thread in a while.

[wtc911]

Replace every (or even one) ‘may’, ‘possibly’, ‘probably’ with the word ‘definitely’ - provide proof - then you have a story.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Replace every (or even one) ‘may’, ‘possibly’, ‘probably’ with the word ‘definitely’ - provide proof - then you have a story.

No question about it - it's just a working theory at this point.

But get yourself a Wordpress account, and go over to TexasDarlin's site, and read some of her work, and the work of her correspondents [like Judah Benjamin].

According to her, it's looking pretty certain that Barack Jr travelled to Pakistan, in 1981, on an "exclusively" Indonesian passport - she seems to think that it's a done deal.

If nothing else, there is still this huge looming question in Campaign 2008: Why did the Obama campaign think that they had to dump a forged Certificate of Live Birth on the American public?

There are, of course, all sorts of possible answers:

1) David Axelrod planted a "poison pill" to try to entice someone in the GOP to go on record about it, so that the DEMs could then produce the real birth certificate at the very last moment, and humiliate the GOP, or

2) Some low-level staffer in the Obama campaign was just too lazy [or too pressed for time] to get the real birth certificate, and thought, "Gee whiz, we have Maya's certificate here, let's just doctor it up in Photoshop and Illustrator - no one will ever know the difference," or

3) There is something really weird in Barack Jr's legal history - something that Barack Jr cannot allow to see the light of day - which is the line of thought that TexasDarlin and her correspondents are pursuing.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Okay, this is rich: Guess who owns the website, "barrysoetoro.com"?

http://www.barrysoetoro.com

Click on it and find out.

[kabar]

Very interesting, but is this just some disinformation on the part of the Obama campaign? Who actually owns this site?

[wtc911]

Maya was born in Jakarta. Why would she have a birth certificate from Hawaii?

Without a solid answer this 'working theory' has zero basis.

[kabar]

Domain name: BARRYSOETORO.COM

Administrative Contact:
Tharwat.com
Tharwat Abdul-Malik (tharwat@gmail.com)
+1.7272140240
Fax: +1.7272140240
10460 Roosevelt Blvd N
Suite 289
Saint Petersburg, FL 33716
US

Technical Contact:
Tharwat.com
Tharwat Abdul-Malik (tharwat@gmail.com)
+1.7272140240
Fax: +1.7272140240
10460 Roosevelt Blvd N
Suite 289
Saint Petersburg, FL 33716
US

Registrant Contact:
Tharwat.com
Tharwat Abdul-Malik

10460 Roosevelt Blvd N
Suite 289
Saint Petersburg, FL 33716
US

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Maya was born in Jakarta. Why would she have a birth certificate from Hawaii? Without a solid answer this 'working theory' has zero basis.

Again, see my reply at #21.

The working theory right now is that Stanley Ann Dunham [Soetoro?] COMMITTED A FELONY in applying for and receiving an Hawaiian COLB for her daughter, Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Wow, now there's an interesting character:

http://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=Tharwat+Abdul-Malik

[kabar]

Doesn’t look like a McCain supporter. This is obviously propaganda meant to discredit McCain and accuse him of dirty tricks.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

The working theory right now is that Stanley Ann Dunham [Soetoro?] COMMITTED A FELONY in applying for and receiving an Hawaiian COLB for her daughter, Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

Let me add: There's a second, competing theory [or an embellishment of the existing theory] which holds that technically invalid Hawaiian COLBs were, in that era, a known "back door" method for foreigners to weasel their way into United States citizenship, or to begin to build the "fake" paperwork background to create a United States identity which they could later assume [Social Security Number and all].

Which is to say: Some people are wondering whether in that era there was a cottage industry which consisted of applying for and receiving these technically invalid Hawaiian COLBs, and the Hawaiian authorities were either completely oblivious to it, or were in on the action and chose to look the other way.

Either way, though, Stanley Ann Dunham very likely committed a felony if she was involved in this manner.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Check out this page:

http://republican.meetup.com/495/members/4930941/

[wtc911]

I have had to obtain valid BCs for myself and my kids on a number of occasions over the years.

If the birth is not registered in the jurisdiction within a very narrow time window then there will be no official record of it.

This 'working theory' has no basis in fact.

If you must spend your time engaging in "theories", go to work on the Kenya connection to Odinga, why obama campaigned for him in late 2007 but then wouldn't meet with him in June 2008.

It's all been posted here before by many of us. It's verified and damaging.

[kabar]

Tharwat Abdul-Malik is a member of Hillsborough County Republican Executive Committee He joined in March 2008. A mole for Barack?

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

"Tharwat" sounds Indonesian to my [admittedly untrained] ear, and I'm wondering if the "Abdul" in his name indicates that he might have been born a Muslim in Indonesia, but converted to Christianity at some point in his life [and became a Republican in the United States].

In that case, he might know a thing or two about the Soetoros back in the old country.

[kabar]

No, he is black looking at his photo.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

If the birth is not registered in the jurisdiction within a very narrow time window then there will be no official record of it.

I'm sorry - I didn't understand this sentence.

[LucyT]

Ping.

[LonePalm]

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(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
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