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Rick Warren: Vanity

Posted on 08/16/2008 10:31:29 AM PDT by Chong

I received an email from my pastor about Rick Warren's interview with "those two" on CNN and also received another email from an old timer freeper FRiend warning me about Rick Warren.

Please share with me what you know about this man and what he stands for (without in-fighting if you can? 'Cause you are not going to change anybody's mind by arguing?)

Gotta go run some errands but will check back in when I come back, so don't think I am being rude by not replying right away.

Thanks.


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To: Corin Stormhands
Suggest you take a peak over there.

no,no, this thread is not about Mohammed, as in "if the mountain won't come to Mohammed...."

41 posted on 08/16/2008 12:08:21 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: elpadre
Parables aside, we disagree. Whether you are a person of faith or an agnostic or even an atheist, the taking of an innocent unborn child is wrong. Roe v Wade's right to abortion on demand has been a holocaust. No matter how you slice the issue, abortion is an abomination to any right minded human being. The abortion issue and right to life, should actually transcend religious beliefs. Whether out of ignorance or arrogance, 50 million dead children leave me with no good options.
42 posted on 08/16/2008 12:08:44 PM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: Chong
Rick Warren is one of the new "Emergent Church" crowd... One God, many ways to him...

Good web source here: www.crossroad.to/News/Church/emergent.html

43 posted on 08/16/2008 12:12:55 PM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime member of the "Christian-Radical-Right-Wing-Kook-Factor")
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To: Chong

His book was excellent.

I don’t care what the media or the accusers of the brethren have to say, they are cut from the same cloth.

Interested in how these question and answer sessions with McCain and Obama go.

Jesus Christ and His glory first....politics does not even come close.


44 posted on 08/16/2008 12:16:22 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Snurple

My comments are this:

He has writen a great book, no doubt about it. It has been very helpful to a lot of people.

However, taking Christ out of the works of the gospel, saying that we need to solve the world-wide situation with the poor, and offering that Christ is not essential in this work, first and formost, is another gospel. Jesus said we’d always have the poor with us. And it is not wrong to do our work for the sake of the poor, as the NT also states that looking after the poor, the widows and the fatherless are doing the works of the gospel. However, doing the works to serve the poor, but without doing it in the name of Christ, and for His sake alone, is not biblical.

Another thing is this: It appears that Warren is saying that the sacrifices made by missionaries to bring the gospel and thereby transform the soul is not as useful as transforming the material lives of people. Facts show, though, that when the soul is transformed, the people prosper naturally...as an outcome.


45 posted on 08/16/2008 12:20:36 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Chong

Robert Heinlein had it right: “Shamans and priests are the world’s SECOND OLDEST PROFESSION.” I remain highly skeptical of entrepreneurial evangelists.


46 posted on 08/16/2008 12:22:41 PM PDT by darth
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To: free_life
or the accusers of the brethren have to say, they are cut from the same cloth.

LOL! Give me a break. Better get your bible out and take a closer look at Bro Rick's teachings.

47 posted on 08/16/2008 12:28:26 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: Chong

Tackling poverty is a Christian virtue. Ignoring abortion and homosexuality to further your cause isn’t. Either it’s all gospel, or none of it is. Judge your preachers on that.


48 posted on 08/16/2008 12:44:21 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Snurple

I already now what the word of God says about accusing the people of God and about gossipers and scoffers and loving one another. Not interested in your religious judgmental hatred. Do you even know what spirit you are under the control of? It is not the Holy Spirit, for your words reveal your heart. How do you think the Pharisees fared, with their religious hard hearts? Do you think it will be any different for you?

And many will fall away being offended in their hearts, even betraying their brothers, their love having grown cold.


49 posted on 08/16/2008 12:46:18 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: elpadre
"Christians need to stop beating up each other."

St. Paul tells Christians to judge one another to keep each other in line. If one steps out of line, other Christians are supposed to call him on his wrongs. If that constitutes "beating each other up", then let the beatings continue.
50 posted on 08/16/2008 12:46:50 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: free_life

Okeydokey, what ever floats your boat but you seem to be the one spewing all the venom. Get your bible out and read it, you are too full of anger....relax.


51 posted on 08/16/2008 12:53:47 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: Chong
His book The Purpose Driven Life I think is one of the greatest books I have read, and it has be a real inspiration to me. One of the few books I have read more than once, and it is full of inspirational thoughts, I have highlighted and quoted often. Like: “God doesn't expect you to be perfect, but he does insist on complete honesty.”

Rick Warren beyond the Book? I don't know. And I guess I don't care. He's not my pastor. If he was I would be much more critical of his beliefs and political leanings.

One of the other great books to come out about that time was also written by a well known liberal. Many of us here read the book, and all of us loved it. That man Tom Brokaw, the book The Greatest Generation.

52 posted on 08/16/2008 1:01:41 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: labette

The first order for a con man is to make you believe the pitch. He was very successful with the pitch. Now comes the sting.


53 posted on 08/16/2008 1:31:33 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: BipolarBob

Dear Billy Graham would never take a position on anything. I love the guy, but I see that as a flaw. He would not advocate for the unborn, or against euthanasia, or anything.

Franklin Graham is more my style :) Salt and light, people! Do unto others etc.!


54 posted on 08/16/2008 1:34:28 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: steve86

absolutely


55 posted on 08/16/2008 1:43:25 PM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

agreed


56 posted on 08/16/2008 1:46:54 PM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: Reagan Man

I never heard that Warren supports abortion - from having read the Purpose book I don’t believe he does.


57 posted on 08/16/2008 1:49:40 PM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: DesScorp
true enuf - but has he stepped out of line? Maybe this Forum tonight is something for which God will be pleased. God's ways are not necessarily our ways.

As for judgment. certainly we can make judgments based on established facts. But Christ alone judges the heart, one's motivation. That's beyond our pay grade.

58 posted on 08/16/2008 1:57:44 PM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: elpadre
>>>>>I never heard that Warren supports abortion ....

Neither have I. That wasn't my point. I don't believe in giving people who support Roe v Wade, condone abortion on demand or promote abortion rights in general, a free forum inside a house of God, to express their opinions on anything.

I've heard Rick Warren say that abortion is but one of many issues Evangelicals need to focus on. In recent years, Warren has been advancing issues like the environment and homosexual rights.

Someone posted that Fox reported, Warren will not even mention the abortion issue tonight. That should be an outrage to all pro-lifers.

59 posted on 08/16/2008 2:12:16 PM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: Corin Stormhands
"Suggest you take a peak over there."

If the mountain will not come to Mohammed...

60 posted on 08/16/2008 2:34:30 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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