Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7
LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.
He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.
But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.
Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.
"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."
Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.
It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...
(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
3rd: Sam Nunn ...
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If that turns out to be true, we can slam him for not being able to keep a secret - another trait necessary for a CinC.
When he walked on stage, he tucked his earpiece firmly in his ear and probably was told to hold his head to the left to help keep it in. I don’t know if you noticed but when he was told he was on the last question was the ONLY time he straightened his head up.
Here’s the QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP” lie from the transcript;
http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-01.txt
1 AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF
2 WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND THERE WERE A LOT OF
3 QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP,
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Me Again,
Where did those question come up, Senator Obama? Trinity?
Example: Joe Bidens observations;
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/17/1204594.aspx
On Aug. 1, 2007, when Obama unveiled his counterterrorism agenda, the Biden camp fired off a snarky email congratulating him for his “Johnny-come-lately position” on Afghanistan, noting that during two Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Afghanistan and other subjects, Obama didn’t ask questions about the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or Afghanistan.
For the record of this thread:
This morning’s 8am ABC newscast played a clip of Barry’s voice reciting his Catechism answer to what did his faith mean to him. Then the ABC newsreader said about 4 words of McCain’s answer.
This is the tactic they have used for 8 years of the Bush Admin. We used to hear a Clinton quote every half-hour during the Nineties, then we got media silence of President Bush’s voice for the past eight years.
Now we are back to hearing the voice of a chosen one.
Amen.
Soon we will be the msm and they will be fearing us even more than they do now.
Transcript of the Forum
6 parts
http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2063247/posts
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You signed up the day of this debate huh???Meow meow.
You were nice to me last week. BTW, My sign on date is not August 16, but May 16. You need more coffee. :O)
We know where he is coming from. In a way he kind of reminds me of his mentor, Tony Snow.
What about Dr. Dobson?
Or that skinny blonde in the black cocktail dress?
(She said she'd vote for der Hildebeast before she would vote for McCain.)
I forgot it was Sunday until I turned on the tv this morning.
(brewing more coffee as we speak)
Arguing that Christians should do good while resisting evil in this world is hardly sophistry. Perhaps you don’t know what sophistry is.
Sorry my post was rough and not clear enough!
My remark was about Kimberly who you were answering to...
Just tried to complete your statement about her who pretends she will not vote....
“HEY...IT’S ALL YOURS....MY OPINION ISN’T WANTED AND I WILL LEAVE YOU TO YOUR LOVE FEST.”
Doncha know....any day now one of those Day in the Life threads is going to pop up here for McShamnesty and NO dissenters will be permitted to frequent it. Ten to nothing every single one of these folks will be there...and I’m just guessing, but I’ll bet they and the Bushbots are one in the same.
With her shoe?
One FNC talking head just said Obama looked thoughtful and analytical but the straight talk express was on steroids last night. Ellen how do you respond to that?
Thank you and my sincere apologies as well:-)
I wish these putzes who say they wont Vote for some stupid, infantile reasons like McCain looked crosseyed, or didnt burp correctly or stated clearly what he believed instead of sugar coating it woulld get a life and Vote for their Country’s Salvation and Future Viability!!!
“Alan Keyes is a premiere sophist. It’s hard to take seriously anyone who takes him seriously.”
Alan Keyes has one basic failing — he expects too much of the voter. He fails to comprehend ‘the herd’. People feel connected with symbols — such as the GOP brand. He doesn’t understand that.
Just because Keyes is a lousy campaigner doesn’t mean he’s a sophist. If McCain picks a strong running mate, I’m going with the winner. But that’s just ‘fight to win’ thinking— very basic stuff.
Keyes is a frustrated intellectual who can’t fathom why common sense fails to penetrate quickly enough. He was a visionary on school choice and the fair tax when they were largely unknown concepts.
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