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Obama Flunks Rick Warren's Abortion Question
InsideCatholic.com ^ | 8/18/08 | Deal W. Hudson

Posted on 08/19/2008 12:48:11 PM PDT by Publius804

Obama Flunks Rick Warren's Abortion Question

by Deal W. Hudson

8/18/08

Here's a truism: If you're running for President, don't answer a question by saying, "That's above my pay grade." After all, if you want to occupy the White House, there is no higher pay grade. You are the boss, and the buck stops with you.

But Barack Obama used precisely that expression when asked by Rick Warren at what point "a baby gets human rights." Obama said, "Whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity . . . is above my pay grade."

How can a man who has voted three times on the Born Again Infant Protection Act be unable to answer that question with "specificity"? Does he mean that he voted against BAIPA without having an answer to that question? But then what did he base his vote on?

Obama made the telling mistake of pitting the truths of science against the truths of theology. He seems to think there are two truths in contradiction to each other. And his implication is clear: Theology teaches life begins at conception, but science sees it differently.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; democrats; elections; mccain; nobama08; obama; rickwarren

1 posted on 08/19/2008 12:48:14 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: Publius804
Warren gave him an out by saying "baby" - instead of going with it, he decided to declare himself undecided on whether infanticide is OK.

I thought Obama was much more cunning than that.

2 posted on 08/19/2008 12:52:22 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

I’m beginning to think that, because of a lifetime spent in the company of far-out lefties, Obama discovered that there’s such a thing as a pro-lifer only recently—and he’s never really talked to one. And he’s not very bright.


3 posted on 08/19/2008 12:57:19 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Publius804
One of the simplest, and most effective pro-life arguments is: If we don't know when life begins, then we must err on the side of not killing a fetus because we may be killing an innocent human.

Obama admits he doesn't know - fine. So how does he justify ending what may be life?

4 posted on 08/19/2008 1:00:17 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Publius804

Science sees it differently?

I saw a thread about how science has proved through DNA testing, that a human exists at the time of conception, as a distinct, separate, human being.


5 posted on 08/19/2008 1:00:57 PM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
So how does he justify ending what may be life?

narcissistic evil?

6 posted on 08/19/2008 1:01:52 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Publius804
if you want to occupy the White House, there is no higher pay grade

Are they being as obtuse as Obama? He was clearly making a reference to God, but being careful not to name Him for fear of infuriating his base.

7 posted on 08/19/2008 1:03:00 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Publius804
I can just see the sign on his desk:
The Buck Stops at some higher pay-grade

(Just where does it stop? The editorial board of the New York Times?)

8 posted on 08/19/2008 1:04:44 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Publius804

9 posted on 08/19/2008 1:04:46 PM PDT by EscapedDutch (I spent $5,000 to become a LEGAL resident of the US. If illegals get amnesty, I demand a refund!)
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To: EscapedDutch

Obama has core beliefs, and he’s smart enough to know that he can’t be honest about them.


10 posted on 08/19/2008 1:06:03 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Publius804

Everyone seems to forget that in 2004 Obama said the Pesidency is above his pay grade.

Video - Barack Obama says will NOT run for President 2008 election because he lacks experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6syUD1I4U

I would love to see McCain use this in an ad, with a simple I’m John McCain and I agree with and approve this message.


11 posted on 08/19/2008 1:06:56 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Publius804
Born Again Infant Protection Act

And if that baby's born again, Obama will let that baby be killed again.

How long before some pro-abort comes out and says that surviving abortion doesn't count as an actual birth, i.e., the baby wasn't really born, just removed from womb, and is still subject to the mother's "wishes".

.

12 posted on 08/19/2008 1:15:46 PM PDT by repentant_pundit (Strong leaders are overrated. We need strong followers...of the Constitution)
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To: Publius804

I am seeing a lot of congruence between Obama’s behavior and thinking, and the thinking of a radical, West-hating Muslim. E.g. kill the infidel children (abortion). Unrestricted immigration into the Lands of War (Dar al-Harb). etc.


13 posted on 08/19/2008 1:20:48 PM PDT by ikka
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To: repentant_pundit

Look up Princeton professor Peter Singer - he is very concerned about animal rights, but would not deem a newborn baby outside the wome a “person” until about a month or so after birth.

We’re already well down the slippery slope.


14 posted on 08/19/2008 1:21:43 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

wome = womb


15 posted on 08/19/2008 1:22:17 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Your comment says it all..


16 posted on 08/19/2008 1:23:58 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: repentant_pundit
Born Again Infant Protection Act

That should be "Born Alive...

17 posted on 08/19/2008 1:24:55 PM PDT by smokinleroy (How come gas prices spiked only AFTER the democrats won Congress?)
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To: repentant_pundit

Boxer, in the Senate record, states that the baby isn’t really a baby until “maybe when they take it home”.

Obama, on the Illinois Senate floor, stated that this (BAIPA) bill would be “to much of a burden on the woman”.

Your hypothetical is not hypothetical.


18 posted on 08/19/2008 1:25:08 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: smokinleroy

OH, don’t put it past them.

The left despises Christians a lot!


19 posted on 08/19/2008 1:25:59 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
I'll make it easy for Barry.

If he medical definition of death is the absence of brainwaves and a heartbeat, than the definition of life is the presence of brainwaves and a heartbeat.

20 posted on 08/19/2008 1:28:14 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: mware
If he medical definition of death is the absence of brainwaves and a heartbeat, than the definition of life is the presence of brainwaves and a heartbeat.

You're assuming he uses logic. A reminder: Obama is a Democrat.

21 posted on 08/19/2008 1:33:48 PM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: Publius804; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; dixiechick2000; gonzo; ...

22 posted on 08/19/2008 1:34:32 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: NavyCanDo

I have the audio of that clip.

It plays everytime I start my computer. It makes the few Obama supporters around me visibly uncomfortable when they hear it.

I like it because its his own words.


23 posted on 08/19/2008 1:37:00 PM PDT by kidd
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To: PhilDragoo

hahahaaaa!

Dat Milhous! A real CUT UP !!!

Good work, Phil ...


24 posted on 08/19/2008 1:38:11 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: mware; GOP_Party_Animal

You all have moved away from the central abortion-rights-activists doctrine, which has nothing to do whatsoever with “when does life begin?” That USED to be the issue, but in more recent years, the issue the pro-abortion people use as their platform is that it doesn’t MATTER when life begins. A mother has a right to give birth or to NOT give birth to anything inside of her because it is HER BODY and her reproductive rights trump any other scientific or religious issue. She doesn’t have to have any reason. She is supreme in the right to give birth or not — right up until delivery at ANY month gestation.

THAT is the abortion movement’s message. They moved on from “when life begins” long ago, since that has an obvious answer. It is the mother’s rights alone that count. That’s it. Nothing else.

Barry Osama whatever-his-name-is knows when life begins. And he knows, as a man who does CLAIM the name of Christ as his Savior, that abortion is murder at ANY week or month of pregnancy.


25 posted on 08/19/2008 1:40:31 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: Publius804

Rick Warren should have phrased the question differently and then it would have been much easier for Obama to answer.

What he should have asked was:

“At what point does a baby stop being a fetus and become a punishment?”

Obama would be able to figure that out easily.


26 posted on 08/19/2008 2:03:22 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: Publius804

What’s all this nonsense of asking the Obamessiah questions in the first place? He’s a leftist and he’s black. Therefore he should be the president. If you don’t think so, just ask Katie Couric or Chris Mathews.


27 posted on 08/19/2008 2:10:06 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Obama admits he doesn't know - fine. So how does he justify ending what may be life?

Here's how I see it.

The fact that you have to end it proves that it's a life. Or the other way around: if it weren't a life, you wouldn't have to terminate it.

I think I learned this in ninth grade. For Bambi to say it's above his pay grade is insane. It's basic science.

28 posted on 08/19/2008 2:10:59 PM PDT by freespirited (Honk if you miss Licorice.)
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To: Wil H

Oh, I can answer that!

It’s when the woman/girl starts to “show” and is embarrassed by it

or can’t fit into her prom dress.


29 posted on 08/19/2008 2:11:50 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: adopt4Christ

Ever cornered a “pro-choicer” with logic

and had them simply hold up their hand, lower their head,

and say “a woman has the right to choose”?

It’s not a defensible position.


30 posted on 08/19/2008 2:13:08 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: PhilDragoo

Great! He escaped from the hussein asylum.


31 posted on 08/19/2008 2:20:44 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: MrB

I had an interesting conversation with an intelligent young lady who refuses to red meat because she loves animals and doesn’t feel that they should be harmed. She is also pro-choice. I asked her “why is it that alot of you pro-choice people care so much about the suffering of animals, but not of humans?” She also doesn’t believe in the death penalty. I asked her why the life of a guilty criminal is more important than the life of an innocent baby. She had not answer, just that it is in between the mother and God.


32 posted on 08/19/2008 2:25:48 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: MrB

I agree. But “a woman has a right to choose” is all they have. And I don’t ever argue with anyone about abortion. “It’s a child, not a choice” is all I HAVE.

By the way — I have a sister who murdered her child at about 24 weeks of pregnancy at 20 years old. We grew up as pastor’s kids — she had turned her back on her faith and family entirely at that point. She had NEVER had any sign whatsoever of mental illness — until the abortion. Within a few months, she began to literally lose her mind, out of deep-seated guilt that sent her into the darkness of clinical & chemical manic/depression, of which she suffers with to this day, some 15+ years later. She told me once in a moment of clarity that there is a part of her that is glad for the horror of mental illness since the abortion, since it makes her feel at some level that she is serving a life sentence for the life she took, knowing it was murder. That tore me up that she felt that way, since I know she has asked for and receive forgiveness from God for what she did. I know that God can heal her mind and emotions if she’s willing, but it seems she finds some level of “comfort” in knowing that she just couldn’t go on with her life, after ending the life of another.

Abortion destroys more lives than just that innnocent child’s.


33 posted on 08/19/2008 2:50:15 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: freespirited
The fact that you have to end it proves that it's a life. Or the other way around: if it weren't a life, you wouldn't have to terminate it.

I don't really think that works as an argument. You could say that a tumor has to be killed and therefore you are ending a life.

34 posted on 08/19/2008 2:55:45 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

The analogy doesn’t work for me. A tumor doesn’t develop into a person.


35 posted on 08/19/2008 3:41:34 PM PDT by freespirited (Honk if you miss Licorice.)
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To: freespirited; GOP_Party_Animal

You do not “terminate” or “kill” a tumor...you remove it. I know — I’ve had four large ones removed from my abdomen (non-cancerous).

No doctor says they are “removing a fetus” in doing an abortion. And of COURSE tumors are not independent life sources either, with brain and cardiac activity.


36 posted on 08/19/2008 3:47:10 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: PhilDragoo; Publius804; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; dixiechick2000; gonzo; ...


37 posted on 08/19/2008 5:01:53 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; MeekOneGOP
Taking a break!! [kinda looks like Putin!]

The BLENDER worries me!!

38 posted on 08/19/2008 5:10:52 PM PDT by potlatch ("Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter")
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To: MeekOneGOP; devolve
Heh!

 

39 posted on 08/19/2008 5:21:12 PM PDT by potlatch ("Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter")
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To: potlatch

Pootie-Poot ??

Vlad Pukin’ ??

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Howdy! :^D


40 posted on 08/19/2008 6:03:55 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: Publius804; antonius

41 posted on 08/19/2008 10:31:12 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: adopt4Christ
“It’s a child, not a choice” is all I HAVE.

That's too bad. There are some excellent arguments out there that go way beyond this, and are irrefutable - that's why I get the raised hand, lowered eyes, etc - often.

Look up the "SLED" abortion argument.

And if you'll suffer a mild rebuke:
1 Peter 3:15 - "...always be ready to give an answer..."

42 posted on 08/20/2008 5:11:42 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: adopt4Christ

And, in reading the rest of your post -

I really am sorry that women have to suffer so, due to a choice that society says is consequenceless.

In my experience, I have seen just two outcomes, neither neutral. One, as you have described, lifelong horror and mental anguish.
The other is worse, however, as it perpetuates the evil, and I would be these women are just as tortured.

The other case is where the woman becomes a lifelong abortion advocate in order to justify her choice. I even know of a case where a woman changed her career path in order to become an abortionist in order to “help” others make the same decision.


43 posted on 08/20/2008 5:15:11 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

I think I know how to defend the sanctity of life pretty well, thank you.


44 posted on 08/20/2008 9:57:15 AM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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