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In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words
redstate.com ^ | August 21, 2008 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 08/21/2008 10:23:34 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Editorial Note: People forget this issue came up more than once in Illinois. In 2001, Obama was concerned about abortion rights and the impact the Born Alive Infant Protection Act would have on abortion rights. In 2002, those concerns were addressed and fixed in the legislation. Now Obama's concerns were more clear. His views on life had no where else to hide.

What has Barack Obama said about his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act?

Obama has made several points, which we should recount.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; babykiller; baipa; bornalive; democrats; election; electionpresident; elections; infanticide; nobama08; obama; obamarecord; obamatruthfile

1 posted on 08/21/2008 10:23:34 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Obama lied and babies died.

Obama the aider and abettor to murder of the unborn.

This will not phase liberals as they could care less.

2 posted on 08/21/2008 10:27:46 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle the Forest Gump of American Politics ABORTION -Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

bump.


3 posted on 08/21/2008 10:28:18 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

bookmark for later


4 posted on 08/21/2008 10:28:21 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://dontgomovement.com/)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well to be fair, in the Saddlebrook forum Barrack did say he did favor some restrictions on late-term abortions. Little did we know he meant six weeks after birth.


5 posted on 08/21/2008 10:28:23 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama is one sick person.


6 posted on 08/21/2008 10:29:12 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama fights for abortionist’s rights to throw live babies in the dumpsters.


7 posted on 08/21/2008 10:29:22 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In a sane world, this issue would sink Obama. His actions here are indefensible.


8 posted on 08/21/2008 10:31:05 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A “nonviable fetus” with movement?


9 posted on 08/21/2008 10:32:24 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Free ThinkerNY
do re me so fa...

You're preaching to the choir here. We already know this.

10 posted on 08/21/2008 10:35:45 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Rush playing the audio now.


11 posted on 08/21/2008 10:39:21 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Thorin

Yes, these are the kinds of things you read about and think.....this is not a ‘humane society’ anymore.......its more like a roving pack of hyenas...... :o


12 posted on 08/21/2008 10:40:45 AM PDT by BossLady (People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to avoid facing their own soul. ~Carl Jung)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
A FReeper posted a thread on the audio available at youtube.

You can listen to it here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2065197/posts

13 posted on 08/21/2008 10:41:03 AM PDT by mojito
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To: OKIEDOC

“Obama lied and babies died.”

You’re statement is right and it’s true. But, when I read that, I’m not sure that I could use it as a mantra. Not because it’s wrong, but because it makes me sick to my stomach thinking about it, much less trying to use it in a political conversation.

Then, contrast that the leftist who chant “Bush lied, people died”. Points out who sick these people really are; that is a mantra that not one leftist would bat an eye about. And the mantra is a lie. I just don’t understand how these people look at themselves in the mirror.


14 posted on 08/21/2008 10:41:50 AM PDT by mattdono (150 Million bloodthirsty Arabs vs. 4.8 Million Jewish Israelis. That's not fair. [Off Sarcasm])
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To: Miss Didi

I’m listening. Obama sounds so flat and unemotional. He’s talking about a PRECIOUS BABY!

I’m with Rush, he sends chills down my spine!


15 posted on 08/21/2008 10:43:43 AM PDT by Shelayne (After seeing Obama without teleprompter, I think the tingle on Chris Matthews' leg is probably pee.)
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To: Shelayne

Sounds like Obambi doesn’t believe in the Bill of Rights.


16 posted on 08/21/2008 10:52:03 AM PDT by hope
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To: mattdono
Well mattdono when Doc was practicing medicine on staff in a South American hospital the hospital administrator asked if she would do abortions if it meant her job was on the line.

Doc told him that under no circumstances would she do abortions even if it meant she had to quit being a doctor.

Recently the Supreme Court of California said , doctors could not refuse to treat a patient because of religious beliefs.

I believe that ruling is one more step at forcing docs everywhere into performing abortions on demand.

17 posted on 08/21/2008 10:53:05 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle the Forest Gump of American Politics ABORTION -Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: Shelayne
Time's creepy cover pic is so fitting.


18 posted on 08/21/2008 10:54:25 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If I understand correctly, Obambi is saying that if the Dr. made a mistake by not really killing the baby and it comes out alive and it’s showing signs of life, that same Dr. (if you want to call it that) would do anything in his/her power to save the life he/she just tried to terminate? I have never heard of a case like that in the media or anywhere else. I have never heard of a “Dr.” saving the life of a baby who was being aborted and had the AUDACITY of living.

I’m sure this feeling is mutual: This makes me sick!


19 posted on 08/21/2008 10:59:00 AM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama — the PROTECTOR of ABORTIONISTS, but not babies who are born alive!!


20 posted on 08/21/2008 11:00:21 AM PDT by MaineConservative (Charlie Summers -- an Iraqi Vet and businessman for Maine's CD-1)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A package of Born Alive bills was introduced three times during Obama’s tenure.

The cornerstone bill was the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which defined legal personhood. This definition was identical to the federal BAIPA (1) which was drafted from the definition of “live birth” created by the World Health Organization in 1950 (2) and adopted by the United Nations in 1955 (3)....

Here I will only post links to Obama’s actions and votes on the cornerstone bill, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. The bill number changed every year it was reintroduced.

2001

Senate Bill 1095 (4), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote (5) in the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 28, 2001.

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor (6), March 30, 2001, pages 84-90

Obama’s verbal oppostion to Born alive, (7) “And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.” March 30, 2001

Obama’s “present” vote on the IL Senate floor ( 8 ), March 30, 2001

2002

Senate Bill 1662 ( 9 ), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee (10) on March 6, 2002. (ABC inadvertently coped bill #1663, a companion bill. The vote for the Born Alive bill, #1662, was identical.)

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor (11), April 4, 2002, pages 28-35

Obama’s “no” vote on the IL Senate floor (12), April 4, 2002

2003

Senate Bill 1082 (13), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Democrats took control of the IL Senate with the 2002 elections. They sent Born Alive to the infamously liberal Health & Human Services Committee, chaired by Barack Obama (14).

As can be seen on the Actions docket (15), Obama held Born Alive on March 6, 2003, from even being voted on in committee. It is also important to note from the docket that on March 13, 2003, Obama stopped the senate sponsor from adding the lately discussed clarification paragraph (16) from the federal BAIPA, to make the bills absolutely identical.

1. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h107-2175

2. http://www.who.int/healthinfo/statistics/indunder5mortality/en/

3. http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/sconcerns/natality/natmethods.htm

4. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1095.html

5. http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_32701.pdf

6. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

7. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

8. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920SB1095_03302001_030000T.PDF

9. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1662.html

10. http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_3502.pdf

11. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf

12. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920SB1662_04042002_014000T.pdf

13. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93

14. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?GA=93&committeeID=85

15. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93

16. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082sam001&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session=


21 posted on 08/21/2008 11:01:58 AM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: Joiseydude

The info and links I provided do no good if left here, copy and spread the word.


22 posted on 08/21/2008 11:03:00 AM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: Shelayne
Nobama is not talking about a PRECIOUS BABY. He is the liberator. He is LIBERATING the woman from the scourge and punishment of this "thing".

Now, you can see how he views children and himself as the Great Liberator.
I now have to go puke as I've seen the face of evil incarnate.
23 posted on 08/21/2008 11:10:35 AM PDT by TxAg1981
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To: Miss Didi

Icky.


24 posted on 08/21/2008 11:11:09 AM PDT by Shelayne (After seeing Obama without teleprompter, I think the tingle on Chris Matthews' leg is probably pee.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

bfl


25 posted on 08/21/2008 11:12:21 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a maverick like McCain. Go against anything he wants us to do.)
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To: Joiseydude
Obama’s verbal oppostion to Born alive, (7) “And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.”

I can make absolutely no sense of this statement.

26 posted on 08/21/2008 11:15:19 AM PDT by freespirited (Honk if you miss Licorice.)
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To: mattdono
I just listened to Rush playing Obama's audio.

It can't be any clearer: to Obama, the highest priority is not saving a born life. It is to keep as sacred the wishes of the mother.

Key to pinning Obama down on this point is to know what he feels should be done if a mother, having just given birth in an alley, decided to leave her baby in the dumpster.

27 posted on 08/21/2008 11:15:30 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“in fact, they’re not just coming out limp and dead”

that’s pretty clinical for a senator, isn’t it?


28 posted on 08/21/2008 11:18:15 AM PDT by antioscar
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To: OKIEDOC
raise_hand_png
29 posted on 08/21/2008 11:18:50 AM PDT by auboy (Men who cannot deceive others are very often successful at deceiving themselves. Samuel Johnson)
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To: OKIEDOC

Good on you, doc.

It’s pathetic. Perhaps this country and definitely parts of this country the modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah...probably worse.


30 posted on 08/21/2008 11:19:34 AM PDT by mattdono (Only Lot will be left.)
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To: Always Right

Folks, he’s not the only one.

Barb Boxer is on record in the Senate as stating that the baby doesn’t deserve rights until you take it home from the hospital.

I have a feeling that a lot more dhimmirats have this core belief than would publicly admit it.


31 posted on 08/21/2008 11:21:20 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Yaelle

I don’t think you can say enough about this Obama fellow to turn the Americans stomach!

I have him on youtube telling about baby that survived the abortion and the Christians are still willing to vote for evil.

We are living in a sick society and this is proof.
Obama has lied so many times it is hard to keep the record straight and the Christians are still willing to vote for him.
According to the latest polls, Obama won the debate as far as Christians goes because John McCain lost points with the Christians. Very sick!


32 posted on 08/21/2008 11:21:44 AM PDT by Bigmouthbass
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To: Thorin

And, since they ARE indefensible,

the leftist Obama supporters will just simply deny his position on this.

Just like
“I don’t support socialism, so Democrats aren’t socialist”


33 posted on 08/21/2008 11:22:23 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Yaelle

“Key to pinning Obama down on this point is to know what he feels should be done if a mother, having just given birth in an alley, decided to leave her baby in the dumpster.”

He has already answered that question and he answered it for his own daughters: he wouldn’t want them punished with an unwanted baby.

The callousness of his statements should disturb most “normal” people (note: leftists are not normal people).


34 posted on 08/21/2008 11:23:09 AM PDT by mattdono (Only Lot will be left.)
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To: TxAg1981

He is the liberator -

the woman would experience too much burden on her decision if the botched abortion resulted in a live child.

After all, she was told it was no big deal, it’s not a baby, it’s just a punishment for having sex.


35 posted on 08/21/2008 11:23:43 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Further on in the transcript Obama gives us this gem: ...I think its important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births. Because if these are children that are being born alive, I, at least, have confidence that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure that they're looked after."

Which would explain why that nurse who had testified before Mr. Obama had to go into that disposal area and cradle the aborted infant untill it died. Right. Disgusting.

36 posted on 08/21/2008 11:58:35 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: All

Obama is garbage.


37 posted on 08/21/2008 12:07:12 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: OKIEDOC

“Obama the aider and abettor to murder of the unborn”...

and the BORN........


38 posted on 08/21/2008 12:26:01 PM PDT by bperiwinkle7 ( In the beginning was the WORD................)
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To: Shelayne

Someone needs to buy an ad in the major newspapers of the nation and show the country what Obama has said. Maybe someone should post this on all forums on the net—make a video and post on YouTube. Letters should be sent to all the papers in the land with this data.


39 posted on 08/21/2008 12:41:24 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; cpforlife.org; narses; Coleus; Mr. Silverback; Fred Nerks; redgolum; MHGinTN
Has anyone transcribed and converted from pdf Obama's entire comments on the "born alive" abortion bill when it was up for a vote?

They should be posted in their entirety on FR so EVERYONE can see he's not telling the truth.

40 posted on 08/21/2008 12:56:41 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

STATE OF ILLINOIS

92ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY

REGULAR SESSION

SENATE TRANSCRIPT

20th Legislative Day March 30, 2001

law that allows for the court to still have discretion.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)

Further discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Bill

1080 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The

voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who

wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Madam Secretary.

On this question, there are 53 voting Aye, none voting Nay, none

voting Present. And Senate Bill 1080, having received the -- the

required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senate Bill

1081. Senator Clayborne. Senate Bill 1089. Senator Burzynski.

Senate Bill 1093. Senator O'Malley. Read the bill, Madam

Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER:

Senate Bill 1093.

(Secretary reads title of bill)

3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)

Senator O'Malley.

SENATOR O'MALLEY:

Thank you, Madam President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Senate. Senate Bill 1093, as amended, provides that no abortion

procedure which, in the medical judgment of the attending

physician, has a reasonable likelihood of resulting in a live born

child shall be undertaken unless there is in attendance a

physician other than the physician performing or inducing the

abortion who shall assess the child's viability and provide

medical care for the child. The bill further provides that if

there is a medical emergency, a physician inducing or performing

an abortion which results in a live born child shall provide for

the soonest practical attendance of a physician other than the

physician performing or inducing the abortion to immediately

assess the child's viability and provide medical care for the

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child. The bill additionally provides that a live child born as a

result of an -- of -- of an abortion procedure shall be fully

recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection

under the law. All reasonable measures consistent with good

medical practice, including the compilation of appropriate medical

records, shall be taken to preserve the life and health of the

child. I'd be pleased to answer any questions there may be.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)

Any discussion? Senator Obama.

SENATOR OBAMA:

Thank you, Madam President. Will the sponsor yield for

questions?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)

He indicates he will.

SENATOR OBAMA:

This bill was fairly extensively debated in the Judiciary

Committee, and so I won't belabor the issue. I do want to just

make sure that everybody in the Senate knows what this bill is

about, as I understand it. Senator O'Malley, the testimony during

the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was -- is

that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where

the -- the fetus or child, as -- as some might describe it, is

still temporarily alive outside the womb. And one of the concerns

that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not

being properly cared for during that brief period of time that

they were still living. Is that correct? Is that an accurate

sort of description of one of the key concerns in the bill?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)

Senator O'Malley.

SENATOR O'MALLEY:

Senator Obama, it is certainly a key concern that the -- the

way children are treated following their birth under these

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circumstances has been reported to be, without question, in my

opinion, less than humane, and so this bill suggests that

appropriate steps be taken to treat that baby as a -- a citizen of

the United States and afforded all the rights and protections it

deserves under the Constitution of the United States.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)

Senator Obama.

SENATOR OBAMA:

Well, it turned out -- that during the testimony a number of

members who are typically in favor of a woman's right to choose an

abortion were actually sympathetic to some of the concerns that

your -- you raised and that were raised by witnesses in the

testimony. And there was some suggestion that we might be able to

craft something that might meet constitutional muster with respect

to caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this

fashion. Unfortunately, this bill goes a little bit further, and

so I just want to suggest, not that I think it'll make too much

difference with respect to how we vote, that this is probably not

going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we

define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the

equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution,

what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that

are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to

a -- a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to

term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by

a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it

would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection

clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a

child, then this would be an antiabortion statute. For that

purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional. The

second reason that it would probably be found unconstitutional is

that this essentially says that a doctor is required to provide

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treatment to a previable child, or fetus, however way you want to

describe it. Viability is the line that has been drawn by the

Supreme Court to determine whether or not an abortion can or

cannot take place. And if we're placing a burden on the doctor

that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as

possible and give them as much medical attention as -- as is

necessary to try to keep that child alive, then we're probably

crossing the line in terms of unconstitutionality. Now, as I said

before, this probably won't make any difference. I recall the

last time we had a debate about abortion, we passed a bill out of

here. I suggested to Members of the Judiciary Committee that it

was unconstitutional and it would be struck down by the Seventh

Circuit. It was. I recognize this is a passionate issue, and so I

-- I won't, as I said, belabor the point. I think it's important

to recognize though that this is an area where potentially we

might have compromised and -- and arrived at a bill that dealt

with the narrow concerns about how a -- a previable fetus or child

was treated by a hospital. We decided not to do that. We're

going much further than that in this bill. As a consequence, I

think that we will probably end up in court once again, as we

often do, on this issue. And as a consequence, I'll be voting

Present.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)

Further discussion? If not, Senator O'Malley, to close.

SENATOR O'MALLEY:

Thank you, Madam President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Senate. The one thing the previous speaker did say is that this

is a passionate issue. And -- however, I don't think it's

challengeable on constitutional grounds in the manner that was

described. This is essentially very simple. The Constitution

does not say that a child born must be viable in order to live and

be accorded the rights of citizenship. It simply says it must be

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born. And a child who survives birth is a U.S. citizen, and we

need to do everything we can here in the State of Illinois and,

frankly, in the other forty-nine states and in the halls of

Washington, D.C., to make sure that we secure and protect those

rights. So if this legislation is designed to clarify, resecure

and reaffirm the rights that are entitled to a child born in

America, so be it, and it is constitutional. I would appreciate

your support


41 posted on 08/21/2008 3:57:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Obama: "Senator O'Malley, the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was -- is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- the fetus or child, as -- as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb."

"as some might describe it"???!!!

What an ass!

The full text should probably be posted on a separate thread:
"Obama's 'Born Alive' Infanticide Comments: In His Own Words"

42 posted on 08/21/2008 4:16:15 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

The liberal’s need to maintain the ruse that the unborn are not living persons is intense, as shown with Obama’s phrasing, but the reality is democrats don’t really give a damn if these ‘things’ being slaughtered are human persons. Protecting ALL rites of slaughtering the alive unborn are the empowerment scheme for the demcorat party and more important to democrap voters than the children being slaughtered, as black people prove every election cycle that returns democrats to office under the ‘awning’ of the massive number of alive unborn black children slaughtered every day because democrats oppose ending this evil.


43 posted on 08/21/2008 4:29:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

44 posted on 08/21/2008 4:34:05 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Sean Hannity allowed on air a black woman who tried to make the case that Obama was more accurate than McCain in his response to the ‘dealing with evil’ question because evil can only be defeated by God. I was screaming at the radio for Sean to ask this poor buffoon how black people continuing to promote the evil of aborting their posterity and empowering the demon democrats to remain the defenders of this evil was not aiding evil! Poor gentleman Sean dropped the ball.


45 posted on 08/21/2008 4:34:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Well, it's pretty clear: Obama was more concerned to defend abortion rights than the child's, arguing that a possible application of equal protection from declaring children "born alive" from botched abortions as children and persons deserving rights and medical care was too risky. It was more important for him that the children be left to die in in order to defend the absurd logic of abortion rights and Roe vs. Wade. That's damning.

There is no other way to read this. He did not want children "born alive" from botched abortions protected as children and legal persons with constitutional rights. Talk about Solomonic Justice!

The child is alive, outside the womb. How could it not be a "child"???

He followed the talking points from Planned Parenthood and the abortion lobby.

He couldn't vote to protect these children because that might mean "equal protection" for children in the womb! Just...WOW!

46 posted on 08/21/2008 4:41:12 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Joiseydude

Great piece of data organization by the way. Thanks so much for that referencing list of links to pdf files.


47 posted on 08/21/2008 8:04:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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