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"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
California Catholic Daily ^ | August 21, 2008 | staff

Posted on 08/21/2008 4:43:58 PM PDT by kellynla

Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / (CNA) -- Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion -- especially politicians -- should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”

[[Burke082108.jpg]]In an interview with the magazine Radici Christiane, Archbishop Burke pointed out that there is often a lack of reverence at Mass when receiving Communion. “Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily is a sacrilege,” he warned. “If it is done deliberately in mortal sin it is a sacrilege.”

To illustrate his point, he referred to “public officials who, with knowledge and consent, uphold actions that are against the Divine and Eternal moral law. For example, if they support abortion, which entails the taking of innocent and defenseless human lives. A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life,” the archbishop said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; catholicism; catholicpoliticians; communion; holycommunion; proabortionists
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To: kellynla

“Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small.”

The Catholic Church seldom moves in a hurry, but eventually this will get done. If not this time, then the next time, or the time after that.

In the meantime among the biggest losers are these selfsame pro-abortion politicians, who risk their immortal souls for personal and political gain. Each time they receive communion unworthily, they are risking damnation for themselves as well setting scandalous examples for others.

61 posted on 08/21/2008 7:48:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: humblegunner

How did you do that?

62 posted on 08/21/2008 7:56:22 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: kellynla

Thank you.

A Catholic BUMP.

64 posted on 08/21/2008 8:34:45 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: kellynla
""“Then why all the posts to me, dumb ass?”

you, calling anyone a “dumbass” is rich!

you, who can't spell, can't conjugate a verb and can't debate an issue without posting profanity...and knows even less about the Catholic Church & Catholicism other than to post insults about the Church and her members.

but to answer your question, all the posts to you are responses from me for remarks that you posted to ME...

let us all know when you “get it.” LMAO

Class dismissed!

Sorry again for my rough speech and improper grammer.

The time will come when things past and present are revealed and you will recall what I said about your church and maybe share my displeasure.

But until then, as you say and as others have noted on this thread. . . .

Class dismissed!

You have none

65 posted on 08/21/2008 8:35:45 PM PDT by freedom9
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To: humblegunner

maybe you missed this part:

” ...Catholics who publicly support abortion — especially politicians “

this is talk of PUBLIC FIGURES.

66 posted on 08/21/2008 8:38:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Sacajaweau

Your “pass the communion” comment shows utter disregard, and indeed, disrespect for exactly what Communion means to Roman Catholics. To a Catholic, s/he is receiving the body and blood of Jesus Christ. To Catholic’s it’s not bread and wine symbolizing Christ’s body and blood. It IS His body and blood. It is not taken lightly. Communion is a sacrament to be received by Roman Cathoics only, and only those Catholics in a state of grace. Roman Catholic politicians and others in the public forum who advance abortion are not in a state of grace.

Their ‘thoughts’ consist of allowing, promoting, and encouraging abortion and, more important, advancing public funds for abortion. That is more than a ‘thought,’ it is an action that results in the destruction of what the Church teaches is a human life. To the Catholic Church, that’s not a ‘sin,’ it’s a mortal sin.

I am not a Catholic, but I respect the Church’s unflinching position on abortion, and believe it is about time it reined in its politicians who are selling their souls for a few votes.

67 posted on 08/21/2008 9:08:31 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I am not Catholic.

Who am I to tell them how to run their church?

68 posted on 08/21/2008 9:26:29 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Who am I to tell them how to run their church?

Then why provide the anecdote and the following advice?

Should these young people be married? You bet they should!...In the rectory! The beautiful ceremony of full mass with bride in white should be reserved for worthy couples who are faithful in gospel.

69 posted on 08/21/2008 9:38:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: kellynla; Artemis Webb; narses; Clintonfatigued; livius; mimaw; airedale; Mrs. Don-o; Salvation; ...
Actually, Burke might be in a position to do something about it in his new position as Prefect of the Signatura. As I point out in this post, in his new position, he has competence to refer petitions to the Apostolic See (i.e., to the Pope) to the Roman Rota (the "job description" says one of his jobs is: to deal with petitions presented to the Apostolic See for obtaining the commission of a case to the Roman Rota or some other favour relative to the administration of justice). If you click on the link, I have posted the actual Vatican document that defines Burke's authority in his new position.

So I'm not sure that the bishops could ignore him: at least once he, in his official capacity, has the opportunity to actually hear a case. If they ignore him in his official role, I'd say they do so at their own peril (note: "in his official role" does not include talking to Catholic News Agency)

70 posted on 08/22/2008 2:49:15 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Randy Larsen
How did you do that?

I captured a screen shot of a banned account and posted it on my profile page.

It fools most folks and has great comedic value when some dillweed
gets his knickers in a twist and starts gloating about how I've been banned.

71 posted on 08/22/2008 4:20:06 AM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Ah! Have I stepped on a tender toe? Have you too been to a number of these travesties?

I admire Catholics very much, and I am pleased to see so many of them practicing their religion...ALL of it.

72 posted on 08/22/2008 5:21:29 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: grellis; humblegunner
One of the politicians in Arlington Diocese, pro-abort Jim Moran, makes the rounds of the parishes which are also in his Congressional district. Mine isn't one (DG), but a co-worker’s is, and one day when it was her parish's “turn”, she heard the pastor warning him in the vestibule NOT to present himself for communion. This was several years ago, so it does happen and has been happening for a while.
73 posted on 08/22/2008 5:34:18 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Clintonfatigued
There are nine ways to cooperate in evil or aid another in sin:

Every public official's moral authority is predicated on the defense of human life and his enforcement of objective justice. This is the Biblical doctrine (Romans 13:4) and is also upheld in the foundational document of American political philosophy ("Inalienable rights, including Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness... To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..")

A politician who defends or enables the killing of an innocent human being is clerly acting in a morally abominable way --- and that, publicly, in a way which is not only wrong in itself, but gives sacandal to all.

Open, mainifest, public accomplices to the crime of murder are only compounding their guilt if they, in addition, commit the sacrilege of presenting themselves for Communion without repentance.

This seems as clear as daylight to me.

74 posted on 08/22/2008 6:06:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio)
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To: Sacajaweau
See #74
75 posted on 08/22/2008 6:14:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio)
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To: kellynla
you think posting “I think the Vatican is over-run with vermin and scum.” is “dialogue?”

That was freedom9 in post #18. If you had taken the time to look at my post #48, you would have seen that freedom9 was not included in my "reply to" line. I replied to freepers who appeared to have genuine questions about Catholicism.


76 posted on 08/22/2008 7:16:59 AM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: kellynla
I am Catholic as well and I don't believe that statement could be considered as dialogue. And it was really quite childish if intended to be included in any serious discussion! For those who don't like the Catholic church that is your opinion but it does not give someone the excuse to be rude in an adult discussion on a topic that Catholics consider important to them.
77 posted on 08/25/2008 4:13:27 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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