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"Prudent And Nuanced View”( LA Times wants Archbishop Burke to shut up about abortion)
California Catholic Daily ^ | August 25, 2008 | staff

Posted on 08/25/2008 9:51:03 AM PDT by kellynla

In an editorial headlined “How should Catholics vote?” published last week, the Los Angeles Times suggested that former St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke, now prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura in Rome, should butt out of U.S. presidential politics. Said the Times in the Aug. 21 editorial, “it will be helpful for all concerned if Burke is too busy at the Vatican to enter the fray.”

Before reaching that conclusion, the newspaper described the archbishop as “leader of a faction in the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops that believes Catholic voters should judge political candidates primarily by their views on abortion,” and cited the USCCB’s Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship as “a compromise election guide for Catholic voters.” The USCCB document, opined the Times, offers Catholics a “prudent and nuanced view” about their civic responsibilities.

[[Wuerl082508.jpg]]Held up as examples of the correct way for bishops to behave when it comes to pro-abortion politicians under their pastoral care were Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., Archbishop Donald Wuerl, who, said the Times “has been savaged by conservative Catholics for refusing to bar pro-choice Catholics such as [U.S. Sen. John] Kerry and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi from the Communion rail.”

Archbishop Burke, however, shows no signs of following the Times’ unsolicited advice. “If we have a public figure who is openly and deliberately upholding abortion rights and receiving the Eucharist, what will the average person think?” Burke asked Thomas McKenna of San Diego in an interview published by the Italian magazine Radici Christiane just days earlier. “He or she could come to believe that, up to a certain point, it is okay to do away with an innocent life in the mother’s womb.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; election; msm; prolife

1 posted on 08/25/2008 9:51:03 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 08/25/2008 9:53:39 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

LIBS love to silence human beings from breathing...and speaking words they disagree with


3 posted on 08/25/2008 9:54:56 AM PDT by wilco200 (Typical White Person)
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To: kellynla

As a friend of mine often suggests. Imagine us back in 1860 and substitute the word “slavery” for abortion. Then re-read the article.


4 posted on 08/25/2008 9:58:15 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: kellynla

When is some bishop going to say something about “pro abortion Catholic” Joe Biden? Chirp, chirp, chirp...

The bishops may not realize it, but this was done as a challenge to the Church. If they are silent now, they will never regain the right to speak. Obama and his handlers knew perfectly well what they were doing when they picked Biden.

In fact, if the bishops are silent now, we can expect to see the lawsuits start, against churches that refuse to “marry” gays, against Catholic institutions that won’t perform abortions, against, in short, any aspect of the Church that conflicts with the liberal fascist program. But then, most of the liberal bishops such as Wuerl and Neiderauer would probably be happy to opt out from Rome, take the property and form AmChurch, and then watch the handful of faithful Catholics get interned somewhere for their own good.


5 posted on 08/25/2008 10:01:40 AM PDT by livius
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To: kellynla

Things To Do List:

Cancel L.A. Times subscription.


6 posted on 08/25/2008 10:03:36 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Deo volente

yeah....but then what will you line the cat box with?


7 posted on 08/25/2008 10:08:03 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Deo volente

Yeah... I guess being PC is more important than saving souls, L.A. Times?


8 posted on 08/25/2008 10:08:12 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: livius

There’s a picture all over the news today of Biden coming out of mass yesterday holding his granddaughter. First of all I think he should be denied communion, but perhaps I should not judge. One thing I would really like to know though is how would he have felt if his daughter in law decided she did not want that baby and had aborted her? How would you feel *not* being able to hold her? Would you still be in favor of “choice” then??


9 posted on 08/25/2008 10:10:32 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: kellynla

“.....former St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke...”

Dear Archbishop Burke:

Here in St. Louis we already greatly miss your courageous judmentalism, moral clarity and rigorous adherence to Church doctrine.

Please come back.

Oh, and keep giving the politically-correct, moral-equivalence liberals Hel...., I mean Heaven, yes give them Heaven.


10 posted on 08/25/2008 10:16:05 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: livius
When is some bishop going to say something about “pro abortion Catholic” Joe Biden? Chirp, chirp, chirp...

Choice of Biden Re-Opens Catholic Wound; Own Bishop Outspoken on Obligation to Protect Life

11 posted on 08/25/2008 10:21:12 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: livius

I totally agree with your post. I also believe that it will pass when the Church will be required to marry homosexualsd or lose their tax ezempt status and they will be required to perform abortions at Catholic hospitals, etc., etc. And, the Catholic Church themselves are at fault; they should have been screaming from the rooftops about abortion and pro-abortion candidates. Most of the big cities above the Mason-Dixon line are Democrat and Catholic and I ask where have the bishops, archbishops, cardinals been? Haven’t said a word.


12 posted on 08/25/2008 10:22:33 AM PDT by appleton14
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To: Deo volente

“Things To Do List:

Cancel L.A. Times subscription.”

Well, you’re probably the last FReeper who still subscribes to the LAT. LOL


13 posted on 08/25/2008 10:37:44 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: EyeGuy

“.....former St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke...”

They got it wrong. He is emeritus Archbishop Emeritus of St. Louis.

“Bishops who work in the Vatican as administrators or diplomats and who therefore don’t head their own dioceses, or sees, have an extinct diocese attached to their title. But Bertone told Burke he would not receive an extinct see. Rather, he would become the emeritus archbishop of St. Louis — “to my great joy,” Burke said.”

from: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/religion/story/2C864C10CE1D144B862574A9000CDB85?OpenDocument


14 posted on 08/25/2008 10:58:04 AM PDT by rwa265 (Christ, My Cornerstone)
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To: kellynla

What can I say, they’ve got a good Sports section!


15 posted on 08/25/2008 11:12:27 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: appleton14
I also believe that it will pass when the Church will be required to marry homosexuals...

I too think this is one of the areas the left is going to hit first. The bishops should just be willing to lose the tax exempt status - it's not worth selling your soul for.

16 posted on 08/25/2008 11:13:23 AM PDT by livius
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Sorry, I haven’t heard any bishop, even Bp. Saltarelli (Biden’s own bishop, who is opposed to the general idea of “pro-abortion Catholic politicians”) say anything about Biden or imply in any way that he should not go to Communion or that he would not be a suitable choice for Catholic voters.


17 posted on 08/25/2008 11:15:43 AM PDT by livius
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To: Deo volente

Yea, well you can read it for free online...

I canceled the LAT years ago when they published on the front page a doctored photo of an American Soldier standing over an Iraqi.


18 posted on 08/25/2008 11:17:29 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: livius

“In fact, if the bishops are silent now, we can expect to see the lawsuits start, against churches that refuse to “marry” gays, against Catholic institutions that won’t perform abortions, against, in short, any aspect of the Church that conflicts with the liberal fascist program.”

There are an awful lot of “seamless garment/social justice” bishops out there.

Unfortunately - it appears that bishops like Burke, i.e. Bishops actually willing to go out on a limb and publicly fight for the unborn - are in the minority.

There are a whole lot of cultural democrat catholics who just don’t want to think about abortion (don’t want to be “one issue” voters)

I would like to be proven wrong - but look around. What do you see?


19 posted on 08/25/2008 11:19:05 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: TNCMAXQ
There’s a picture all over the news today of Biden coming out of mass yesterday holding his granddaughter. First of all I think he should be denied communion, but perhaps I should not judge.

That's pretty shameless and cynical pandering on the part of the press! Incidentally, there's nothing wrong with "judging" - that's what a properly formed conscience is for. Biden advocates and votes for laws that support and promote abortion; his actions are wrong, they mislead Catholics on a very important part of Catholic teaching, and they lead to the death of the innocent. I don't think there's any problem with judging that!

20 posted on 08/25/2008 11:19:58 AM PDT by livius
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To: wilco200

Prots, moderate Jews, and Catholics might take a look at more than abortion for this Dem Infanticide Ticket. Gun rights, anti-capital punishment, scandals with the Biden family, the Wright days all should have spiritual voters beware of a Dem ticket which seems more amoral than just immoral. And that spells trouble with human rights, standing up against international evil: Islamofascism, China, Russia, Iran.


21 posted on 08/25/2008 12:07:57 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Scotswife

In my parish bulletin this Sunday, there was a little blurb on a voter website put up by the Florida bishops. It urged us to go to the website to find out where the candidates stood on “the important Catholic issues, such as the death penalty, war and immigration.” Not a mention of abortion, which actually is a Catholic issue (unlike the other matters the bishops named). They’ve been very effective at confusing Catholics and watering down their moral sense with this “seamless garment” theory.


22 posted on 08/25/2008 12:40:40 PM PDT by livius
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To: kellynla
Is the Times suggesting a religious test? Or what?
23 posted on 08/25/2008 3:07:20 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: kellynla
Burke will not shut up and we can all be thankful.

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24 posted on 08/25/2008 5:32:12 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla

25 posted on 08/25/2008 5:33:04 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: livius

unfortunately I know exactly what you are talking about as I grew up in the Rochester NY Diocese.
yes...working wage-reaching out to gays and lesbians-death penalty- war- don’t shop at Walmart - and don’t work for the defense industry.
Abortion? what’s that?


26 posted on 08/25/2008 8:09:46 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: livius

“When is some bishop going to say something about “pro abortion Catholic” Joe Biden?”

No Communion for pro-abortion Catholics, says Archbishop Burke

California Catholic Daily

Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / (CNA) — Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion — especially politicians — should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”

[[Burke082108.jpg]]In an interview with the magazine Radici Christiane, Archbishop Burke pointed out that there is often a lack of reverence at Mass when receiving Communion. “Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily is a sacrilege,” he warned. “If it is done deliberately in mortal sin it is a sacrilege.”

To illustrate his point, he referred to “public officials who, with knowledge and consent, uphold actions that are against the Divine and Eternal moral law. For example, if they support abortion, which entails the taking of innocent and defenseless human lives. A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life,” the archbishop said.
“If a person who has been admonished persists in public mortal sin and attempts to receive Communion, the minister of the Eucharist has the obligation to deny it to him. Why? Above all, for the salvation of that person, preventing him from committing a sacrilege,” he added.

“We must avoid giving people the impression that one can be in a state of mortal sin and receive the Eucharist,” the archbishop continued. “Secondly, there could be another form of scandal, consisting of leading people to think that the public act that this person is doing, which until now everyone believed was a serious sin, is really not that serious — if the Church allows him or her to receive Communion.”

“If we have a public figure who is openly and deliberately upholding abortion rights and receiving the Eucharist, what will the average person think? He or she could come to believe that it up to a certain point it is okay to do away with an innocent life in the mother’s womb,” he warned.

Archbishop Burke also noted that when a bishop or a Church leader prevents an abortion supporter from receiving Communion, “it is not with the intention of interfering in public life but rather in the spiritual state of the politician or public official who, if Catholic, should follow the divine law in the public sphere as well.

“Therefore, it is simply ridiculous and wrong to try to silence a pastor, accusing him of interferi ng in politics so that he cannot do good to the soul of a member of his flock,” he stated.
http://calcatholic.com/news/newsArticlePrintable.aspx?id=ae7464ca-97de-4e56-88c8-3004d2adf4ba


27 posted on 08/25/2008 8:59:52 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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