Posted on 08/26/2008 4:29:15 PM PDT by tcg
Representative Nancy Pelosi has been a lightning rod for the ire of conservatives for some time, but now she has drawn fire of a different kind. Within the last 24 hours, the archbishops of Denver, New York, Philadelphia and Washington D.C., along with Bishop William Lori have all publicly upbraided the Speaker of the House for her erroneous comments on the Church’s abortion teaching...
Not only was Cardinal Egan shocked, but he went on to say that, “What the Speaker had to say about theologians and their positions regarding abortion was not only misinformed; it was also, and especially, utterly incredible in this day and age.”
(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...
Thank you. I have bookmarked the site and await the Friday posting. I hope I’m wrong but my expectations are not high.
Psalms 78:66:
And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts:
he put them to a perpetual reproach.
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Thank you,
I shall endeavor to use that scripture on someone tomorrow.
Good for the cardinals. The Church needs to speak out more and more against these CINO’s in leadership. Hooray for them!!!
They’ve been deceived by the enemy of their souls. I feel the same way about mothers who abort their ‘tissue.’ Sad, sad, sad.
Good luck trying to figure out Catholic politics. I don’t think anyone has for almost 2000 years.
In the Catholic Church it seems to be all too easy to co-opt the levers of power. A gay priest or Marxist nun advances up the chain of command to a position of authority in their diocese or order then they bring those of like mind along with them. Seminaries seem to play a large role in identifying and indoctrinating those who will fulfill agendas.
You clean it up by firing the people who are operating in violation of Catholic doctrine. This is done by retiring or “reassigning” people to positions where you hope they can do less damage.
As much as I revere John-Paul II he seemed to turn a blind eye to some things that needed his attention. Benedict is a good Pope and I hope he has the courage to take steps which may embarrass and expose disunity and disloyalty in The Church. We already have a shortage of priests in this country so there is great reluctance to do anything that will alienate anyone.
Entire orders have been and probably are today controlled by Marxists. the Jesuits under Father General Arupe invented the doctrine of “Liberation Theology”. Much of the bloodshed in Central America in the 1980s can be laid at his feet. The fact that in some Central American countries over a quarter of the population are now Protestant can also be laid at his feet. Arupe’s successor Kolvenbach continued the Marxist policies within the order but without the emphasis on “Liberation Theology”. This year Kolvenbach was replaced by a new Father General I don’t know what his politics are. As someone who attended a Jesuit high school and has great respect for the historical contributions of the Jesuit Order I think it would be great if the order could be restored to it’s historic, constructive mission. I aint holding my breath.
Thank you.
I don't think it will get to that point.
Most of this country is on the "right" (more than one meaning) side and there is a limit as to what will be tolerated. Not to diss the current generation but there are a whole bunch of folks that understand why this country happened, too many that know what WWII was all about. And I firmly believe that if push comes to shove, we'll see some clean up action from the original effort. Too many that know what they have and why they have it, and won't let it go without a fight.
Just my dimes worth.
Listen to Mark Levin? He started his show today with a recap of who spoke at the 'Rat Fest last night, then listed who was scheduled to speak tonight. Then he said......
"Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Conga line of malcontents continues!"
I'm sure more than one saw me LMAO on the I-15 drive home....
Pro-Life bump
There’s no set systematic procedure (like the recall provisions in some state constitutions), but since the Catholic Church is a hierarchy, and the bishop of San Francisco is pretty far up the hierarchy, essentially the Vatican has to be made aware of a problem in a diocese.
In principle, that information could be transmitted by the papal nuncio to the US, if he’s a guy whose got a good feel for the problems in the country; alternatively, a group of orthodox American bishops could make a case to the nuncio or directly to the Pope (a tough bet, since it’s essentially a case of turning on one of your own, like a cop turning in a cop).
But if the Pope becomes convinced a bishop is failing in his duty to lead his diocese on a path that brings its flock nearer to holiness, then he can replace that bishop with one he trusts more. That bishop could then provide a new direction in terms of policy, move troublesome priests into less-problematic positions, and the like.
When the clerical abuse scandal in Boston reached a point where it boiled over even to Rome, the Pope moved its bishop, Cardinal Law (who although theologically orthodox failed in this leadership task) into a post in the bureaucracy, and brought in a new bishop to try to clean things up.
Despite its reputation as a monolithic structure, the Catholic Church is surprisingly diverse in the range of views and policies you’ll find among its bishops. So you don’t see them getting bounced too often. But it can happen, and sometimes does.
By the way, your tagline is spot-on -— other than Prohibition, the 17th was the biggest mistake since the slavery-related clauses in the original document.
Thank you for your reply.
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“...that information could be transmitted
by the papal nuncio to the US...”
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“papal nuncio”...is that a person?
Or a group of people?
Or what?
Surely he (they?) knows what is going on...
Are you saying that someone has to “officially”
rat these renegades out to the pope, himself?
Would that be Archbishop Pietro Sambi?
“In simplest terms, they are human beings with an inalienable right to live, a right that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is bound to defend at all costs for the most basic of ethical reasons. They are not parts of their mothers, and what they are depends not at all upon the opinions of theologians of any faith.”
The head of the Catholic Church in New York closed his statement by saying that anyone who defends abortion is not fit to be a leader in a civilized democracy. “Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being ‘chooses’ to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.”
True eloquence.
The democrats have been in favor of abortion for years with many of the elected proclaiming themselves Catholic .....The Kennedy Clan....
I am not slamming Catholicism I have a great respect for the church. I am pleased to see it's leaders speaking up.
“It’s a good sign, isn’t it? ;-)”
Yes, it is.
“I think the Holy Spirit is moving...”
Always think He is...I believe he’s finally being listened to.
“Would that be Archbishop Pietro Sambi?”
The same.
If you haven’t already googled it, see the link below:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=5644
Officially the equivalent of the Vatican’s ambassador to the US, he’s also a link between the local bishops and the power structure back in Rome.
I would like to believe that but to make it true, someone must do something.
There are many good conservative people in America but not enough to keep the unAmerican out of office.
I feel that we are approaching the time of bread and circuses.
I am not a Christian, nor any other Eastern Religion but I do believe that Christianity is a target that must be undermined in order to ruin our country.
The people that call themselves Christian on the other hand are also a part of the problem. Many are so pious and quick to judge the 'sinful ways' of others and with the other part of their tongues support a woman's right to choose.
sorry for the rant, it's just plain to me
“To which Nancy responded: Many practicing Catholics dispute this. The woman is nuts.”
Did she really?
OMG!
She just keeps stepping in it! She can’t help herself!
“Are there any historical references to any similar such “cleanings”?”
Patiently awaiting a “cleaning” in my home diocese.
The bishop is approaching the age he will be required to hand his resignation to the pope.
The pope can accept it and replace him, or request for him to remain for a certain pd. of time.
The most disobedienct bishops certainly will have their letters “accepted.”
Some bishops are moved around or receive the gift of a co-bishop.
But this is mostly a case of waiting for the worst ones to age out.
JPII made some bad appointments when he first became pope because he was relying on advice from the wrong folks within the US.
After a period of time most of his appointments were good ones.
“Psalms 78:66:
And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts:
he put them to a perpetual reproach.
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Thank you,
I shall endeavor to use that scripture on someone tomorrow.”
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Yes she did. I saw the video. She is a disgrace.
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