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McCain Haters For McCain
American Thinker ^ | September 05, 2008 | Randall Hoven

Posted on 09/06/2008 12:02:52 AM PDT by neverdem

I think I'm fairly representative of those conservatives who just could not stand to vote for John McCain.  But I now plan to vote for him this November.  Let me tell you why.

My published criticisms of McCain can be read here, here, here and here.  I even contemplated that a President Obama might not be so bad.  I think my bona fides as a "McCain hater" are fairly well established.  (Although I don't care for the word "hate" here.  I didn't hate him, just voting for him.)

To some conservatives, voting is a simple matter: only one of two candidates is going to win, so pick the more conservative.  By that measure, McCain easily beats Barack Obama.  Just compare, say, lifetime ACU ratings.  The score would be 82 to 8, McCain over Obama.  No contest.  But by that measure, if the Republicans had nominated Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA), we should vote for her over Obama, since her ACU score is 22.

The logic of the anti-McCain crowd was not that simple.  Our time horizon was not just the next four years, but the future in general.  I had stated that it is better to have a Democrat President who governs like a Democrat than a Republican who governs like a Democrat.  Why?  Because the Democrats would get a twofer with the latter: the enactment of a Democratic agenda and the ability to fix the blame for anything bad on the Republicans.

And what would conservatives get?  An agenda they despise, blame for everything bad and no political party representing them any more.

I gave the example of Richard Nixon.  He did virtually everything Democrats wanted.  He got us out of Vietnam -- by withdrawing in defeat.  He hugged Mao Zedong, the greatest mass murderer in history, in public.  He imposed wage and price controls.  He gave us OSHA and the EPA.  His EPA chief then outlawed DDT, letting millions around the world die defenseless against malaria.  He appointed Justice Blackmun to the Supreme Court, who went on to author Roe v Wade.  He increased government spending to support a growing welfare state.

And what did conservatives get for all that?  A Republican President resigning in disgrace, a sweep of Democrats in Congress, oil price shocks, a recession, President Jimmy Carter, our enemies emboldened abroad and a political albatross that hangs around the necks of Republicans to this day.

In short, some of us think preserving a party that truly represents conservative values is more important for the long term than just having someone in the White House with an ACU rating somewhere north of 8.

If McCain were trying to morph the Republican Party into Democrat-Lite, I would not vote for him.  He could have demonstrated that by picking a Vice President like Joe Lieberman.  Nothing wrong with Joe, but he's not a Republican.  He thinks life is improved through government programs.  Republicans think government usually is the problem, not the solution.

But McCain did not pick Joe Lieberman or anyone like that.  He picked Sarah Palin.

And that changed everything.

Sarah Palin is pro-freedom, pro-life, pro-gun, anti-tax, anti-spending.  And she walks the walk.  Her life story is pure American -- even old-time, frontier American.  We can compare experience levels in years of "public service": her 12 to Barack Obama's 11.  But more importantly, Obama's experience consists mostly of missing a lot of votes so he could write a second autobiography and make speeches, while Palin's includes negotiating a gas pipeline deal with Canada and confronting Big Oil face-to-face and making it blink.

Sarah Palin also represents real reform in government.  Not just reform in the sense of ethics rules, but reform in the sense of getting back to the days where elected officials were normal people recognized for their real-world leadership, not professional politicians, usually lawyers, adept at making good excuses, not good decisions.  Alexis de Tocqueville would recognize her as an American: a Bible in one pocket and a newspaper in the other.

And because she is so young, John McCain showed us the future of the Republican party.  It's even more choice that Palin's nemesis in Alaskan politics is Senator Ted Stevens, the oldest, whitest, pork-barrelest, and now indicted, Republican in the Senate.  McCain made it clear: out with the Stevens, in with the Palins.  I am down with that.

In a stroke, McCain showed us his vision of the Republican party, and it is not Democrat-Lite.  And the base knew it right away.  On the day he announced Palin as his VP choice, $4 million flew into his campaign from internet contributions.  The previous daily high was under $1 million.  What does that tell you about what the Republican base thinks of Sarah Palin?

Yet we've heard this spun by our wise media as a scheme to get Hillary Clinton's voters.  We hear those same wise men advise McCain to reach to the middle and the left.  Such advice is wishful thinking or self-delusion at best, or lies at worst.  Five of the last seven presidential elections were won by Republicans.  When Bill Clinton did win, he did it with less than a majority of the popular vote.  The last Democrat to garner a majority of the popular vote for President was Jimmy Carter, who received 50.1% of the popular vote two years after Nixon resigned.

Republicans do not win by moving left.  They win by being Republican: pro-freedom, pro-defense, pro-American, by being the party of small government and big ideas.

The Palin choice was not about getting Hillary's voters, although that might help nudge the margin of victory up by maybe 1% or 2%.  It was about reinvigorating the base, the base that put Reagan in the White House with a 49-state victory.

This whole episode also shows me that McCain is probably smarter than I had thought.  He apparently has favored Palin since February; this was not a seat-of-the-pants decision.  His campaign staff was not only able to keep it a secret, it let the media drink its own bathwater in its silly who's-he-gonna-pick game.  And he timed it beautifully to deny Obama a big post-convention bounce.  You could almost think McCain knows what he's doing.

The surge is working.  The US and Iraq are discussing troop withdrawal dates.  General Petraeus is drafting a troop drawdown schedule.  The latest GDP figures show healthy economic growth.  Jobless claims are down three weeks straight.  And John McCain picked Sarah Palin for VP.

I'm voting for John McCain and Sarah Palin this November, and I won't even have to hold my nose.

Randall Hoven can be contacted at randall.hoven@gmail.com or  via his web site, kulak.worldbreak.com.


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1 posted on 09/06/2008 12:02:53 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
You couldn't have HATED him more than me.
YAKABOMA scares the BEE-JESUS out of me.
2 posted on 09/06/2008 12:08:37 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Thanks to the LADY The Old Coot NOW gets my vote.)
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To: neverdem

I’m amazed by how many people needed Sarah Palin to see the light as to how big a disaster allowing Obama to win would be for America.


3 posted on 09/06/2008 12:10:16 AM PDT by COgamer
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To: neverdem

I forgot all about that: I don’t have to hold my nose anymore!


4 posted on 09/06/2008 12:14:28 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: COgamer

Whatever works!

Welcome them home!

We need every swingin’, ahem, weewee in the field. So to speak. PG version there.

Obama will get us nuked. The guy is that clueless and incredibly dangerous. Sends a chill down my spine that so many Americans are spellbound by this guy.

We all gotta get in the game this time, and make it a decisive LOSS for him.

None of this one state scraping by with a bare minimal victory stuff.

Imagine what would happen? No Obama, no peace!

No thanks.

Lets kick his ass good!


5 posted on 09/06/2008 12:16:24 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: neverdem

Palin would be the McCain to McCain—if he went too far left, she would have no problem announcing this to all, even resigning her vice presidency so she could run against him should he seek re-election as a Democrat-Lite in 2012.


6 posted on 09/06/2008 12:17:50 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: COgamer

Palin represents freedom we haven’t seen for a long time.


7 posted on 09/06/2008 12:19:34 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Obama will get us nuked.

No he won't. Seriously, that scenario is not going to happen.

He will negotiate with the terrorists or whoever, and allow them to peacefully migrate en masse into our cities, where thousands of "community organizers" would incorporate them into our new Sharia-law-bound communities. And he would be praised for "making peace".

8 posted on 09/06/2008 12:20:50 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: neverdem
I have comments to the author of the article.

You have made your choice. In all fairness, did you not hate McCain's political positions as a moderate/centrist (and liberal at times) rather than hate Mr McCain the man?

I just had a few questions outside of that. THESE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA, but stand on their own strength intrinsically with and about HIM. I ask them in all civil sincerity.

You objected to him as I see it because of his liberal voting record and antics, it seems.

Did he change or did you?

Do you think he will go RINO if President, or will he "conservatize".

Any percentage chances on that, either way? And, most importantly, if he does go RINO on us, what should we as Conservatives do next?. Should we oppose him, or support him as our President?

Let us think long term also, I am talking six months out now. As you have thought these through now, I would imagine you have conclusions and strategies on these. Please share, Mr. Hoven, if at all you are reading this..

9 posted on 09/06/2008 12:20:54 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Pray for our TROOPS. And for families of 1000's slain by illegal aliens on US soil. Amen.)
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To: neverdem

I’m in.

I just pray she can slap some sense into him regarding global warming, immigration and the great biofuel scam.


10 posted on 09/06/2008 12:21:41 AM PDT by Califreak (Rome is burning and nobody cares)
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To: neverdem
BTW, these developments prove the correctness of our way over the sit-at-home crowd's bizarre logic.

McCain wanted Lieberman, but when that polled in the toilet, he realized the only way to solidify his base was to pick a hardcore conservative.

Even McCain has to be shocked at how well this choice has worked, and I can't imagine him turning his back on conservatives now. Not that Palin would let him.

Meanwhile, the sit-at-home "true patriots" have gotten nothing for their efforts; McCain's choice was based on conservatives willing to vote for him IF they thought they could work with him.

11 posted on 09/06/2008 12:23:13 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: neverdem

I was a FredHead (still am) and used rationals like the poster to not support McCain. But Sarah Palin changed it for me. I will volunteer and help to get them elected. I am excited about the race!


12 posted on 09/06/2008 12:23:53 AM PDT by feedback doctor (The first female president will be a Conservative Republican)
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To: COgamer
I’m amazed by how many people needed Sarah Palin to see the light as to how big a disaster allowing Obama to win would be for America.

I'll be honest. I was one of them. I was completely disinterested in the 2008 election.

Frustrated with the last few years, I'd actually resigned myself to say, "Screw it! Let Obama win!"

Not anymore.

When they spoke about Palin energizing the base, they were speaking to me.

13 posted on 09/06/2008 12:25:34 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: neverdem

Welcome to our club, Mr Hoven.

Have just the teensiest bit of crow served with a side of humble pie.

Hopefully, you haven’t arrived too late. I don’t think that you have.


14 posted on 09/06/2008 12:26:57 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: neverdem

I once swore I’d never vote for McCain...Palin has changed that.


15 posted on 09/06/2008 12:28:29 AM PDT by Bobalu (Obama cannot win without the kind of people that Palin appeals to.)
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To: neverdem

I too campaigned against McCain in 2000 and 2004...and his immigration stance and Campaign Finance Reform bore me out.

But something happened. McCain reversed course on amnesty and even grudgingly supported building our Southern Border Fence...plus, McCain latched on to Drill Here, Drill now.

McCain is a war hero, we all know that, but he supported the Surge in Iraq even before my hero, President Bush. That counts for something. He was for the Surge when sending more troops into Iraq was extremely unpopular...

...and that’s when I learned something about McCain...he’s resolute. Just like when I hated his persistance in supporting CFR at every turn, so I came to love his support for the Surge. He never waivered on it.

I can dig it!

Plus, McCain is pro-life. The next 4 SCOTUS Justices need to be pro-life. We can bury Roe v Wade!

So I actually came around to McCain prior to him picking Governor Palin...I was even resigned to “supporting” him if he picked Lieberman.

I am *so* glad that he picked Sarah, though! Now I won’t be holding my nose to vote for McCain...and I even sent him some money.

Wow!

That’s a big turnaround for me. I walked the walk and talked the talk against him in 2000 and 2004. Nice that I don’t have to be against him this time, though.

...and that whole Obama thing?! People! Come on...he’ll be a historical laughingstock who will make people forget McGovern himself.


16 posted on 09/06/2008 12:31:44 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: COgamer

When a bright light is brough into a room , everyone can see everything a LOT clearer.

Anyone remember, he’s also going to review every government department and then make it all accessable to the American people?

Oh HELL YA! About damn time!


17 posted on 09/06/2008 12:32:06 AM PDT by Danae (A Taxpayer voting for Obama is like a Chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: Voter#537
"YAKABOMA scares the BEE-JESUS out of me."

Being afraid of the effeminate Obama would be like being scared by Michael Jackson in his Thriller video. Oooh, scary demon vampire makeup!

18 posted on 09/06/2008 12:34:08 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Drew68

Great! I would love to see those polls which show Barr running at a 4 point clip draining down to ones and point-fives before I will sleep a little better.


19 posted on 09/06/2008 12:34:14 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: neverdem
I supported him after Fred dropped out. I do not think his ideas of elections or immigration may be correct. I do believe he is more aware than me though and it barrels down to a judgment call on my side. After he picked Palin I trust him. Thats a pretty big poke in Obama’s eye, and a very bold move which I applaud.
20 posted on 09/06/2008 12:35:46 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: neverdem
This race is between Obama and Palin. McCain would do well just to kind of stay in the background.

I had to rethink my resolution to NEVER vote for McCain, when Obama became the nominee.

21 posted on 09/06/2008 12:36:38 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: Southack

I believe the poster’s fear is more akin to letting someone like Obama be responsible for protecting your home and family.

I much prefer the lovely pitbull wearing the lipstick.


22 posted on 09/06/2008 12:37:36 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: Darkwolf377
That's right. Mrs. Palin is no Al Gore who wouldn’t stand up to Clinton's trashing of the Presidency.
23 posted on 09/06/2008 12:39:10 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: Coldwater Creek
That's why Palin is such a smart and well thought-out choice--she reflects well on McCain because he chose someone HE should fear if he's not who he claims to be.

I trust McCain's promises because he's brought on his own ombudsman in Palin. I can't think of any democrat independent enough to bring an independent person onto the ticket in this way. It's truly startling.

24 posted on 09/06/2008 12:42:27 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: neverdem

Great article! I’ve been debating about going to the polls simply for the same reasons. I groan when John McCain said he wanted to include Republicans, Democrats and Independents in his cabinet. He really doesn’t get it. I don’t think Palin is one to sit around.


25 posted on 09/06/2008 12:42:34 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: AmericanInTokyo
McCain will no longer be surrounded by 25 year olds, who actually run the Congress. He's going to have listen to the big guys now. Which is what I believe got us Sarah Palin. Some wise adviser said, choose a real conservative or you're going to loose. They made a believer out of him.
26 posted on 09/06/2008 12:44:15 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: neverdem
Going with the writer's analogy, but correcting him where he has it wrong, Nixon does not equal McCain. Nixon = Bush, and Obama = Carter. That's where we're at right this minute, a very 1976ish situation. I'm not going to say McCain = '76 Reagan, but I certainly prefer the McCain/Palin ticket to Ford/Rockefeller. And an Obama administration would be just as disastrous to the country as Carter's was, if not moreso. Hell, he's already got a bunch of Carter's advisers on his team.

But we don't need to be thinking about McCain as the Democrat Lite that would bring us the raging lefty following in his wake. The raging lefty is here now (Obama), and he's following in the wake of an often times Democrat-Lite named Bush.

27 posted on 09/06/2008 12:51:05 AM PDT by squidly
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To: neverdem

Ridiculous logic.

We aren’t electing her as President, we’re electing him and he’s the same today as he was the day before he chose Sarah. I like Sarah, but some folks are fools for falling for his game. He played it right, brilliant choice, and it worked. All the attention is on her. Meanwhile, he’s free to move, seemingly undetected, as far to the left as he wants. Bravo McCain. Bravo


28 posted on 09/06/2008 12:53:13 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER. / RIP LeRoi Moore Our loss, heaven's gain)
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To: Southack
But something happened. McCain reversed course on amnesty and even grudgingly supported building our Southern Border Fence...plus, McCain latched on to Drill Here, Drill now. McCain is a war hero, we all know that, but he supported the Surge in Iraq even before my hero, President Bush. That counts for something. He was for the Surge when sending more troops into Iraq was extremely unpopular...he’s resolute.Plus, McCain is pro-life.

He have hit all the points that I came to see about John McCain. But I must admit, I cannot say or write his name without hearing Sarah Palin saying the name at the same time. I was, like millions of people, powerfully moved by her speech at the convention.

But I was also powerfully moved by his speech the next day. And I think the key to John McCain the politician is his life in that cell in Hanoi. He died to self in that hell-hole. And the only thing he began living for was his country. I do believe the man wants to do what is good for his country, and not what is only good for himself or his buddies at the country club.

29 posted on 09/06/2008 12:56:35 AM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: neverdem

I sympathize, McCain-hater. McCain the man is perhaps the most respectable living figure in national politics. But I believe he would govern as a RINO in every arena save national defense. I believe this because of his record, and because of his leaning on the “maverick” label, which we all know refers to his frequent hops across the aisle (i.e. his frequent votes on the Democrat line). In McCain’s head, I’m sure he is a man above party. From the outside, he is a man between parties, leaning one way or another, often not to my satisfaction.

Perhaps it is not fair of me to single out McCain as an especially pernicious example of centrist bipartisanship (or, as I call it, sporadic liberalism). But my party (or formerly my party) has singled him out for me. For a time now, dissension has grown within me. i voted for Bush twice, swallowing steel tariffs, Medicare expansion, unbalanced budgets, pork-barrel spending, “compassion” (i.e. liberalism), No Child Left Behind instead of school choice, and so on.

The spectre of terrorism; the tax cuts; and the valiant, if truncated, assualt on Social Security kept me on board. But now, I wonder what I will gain by the switch to McCain. I know that I will lose ground on immigration and environmentalism. He talks of tax cuts and limited government only in generalities. He made a strong case for school choice, but then there was that claptrap about federal community colleges.

For those of you tired of RINOs, sick of ever-advancing centralism, socialism, and environmentalism (three synonyms, I realize), when are you going to do something about it? Why isn’t McCain too far? Can you imagine, eight years ago, in the McCain/Feingold era, rooting for this guy? When will the time come to embrace a new Goldwater, a new Reagan? When will we purge the party of its Lindsays, its Rockefellers, its Nixons, and its McCains?

Why isn’t now the time? I know what you’ll answer (since you’ve already answered above). You’ll say Obama is too dangerous. You’ll say Obama is the most unqualified and the most liberal candidate in this country’s history. I take your point. I might say now is as good a time as any to prove to the people how disastrous a quasi-socialist can be. But I know that economic or foreign-policy disasters on Obama’s watch would probably be spun by the media to advocate further state expansion, as all disasters are.

Then there’s Palin, who has excited me like no other politician in my lifetime—though my enthusiasm may be a bit premature. I was too young for the Reagan Revolution, the first election I can recall was Bob Dole’s run at the house. In four years, I’d vote for Palin. In eight years, I’d vote for Palin. But now, under McCain, I don’t see her doing much.

She cannot put McCain over the top. I choose now to strike out, to vote third party. I welcome a Goldwater to step up to be struck down (hard) by the left and the media. I welcome a William F. Buckley to put verbalize our angst and stand athwart the tide of liberalism. I welcome a Reagan (Palin?) to stand astride the pillars of power and yell, “Out, you pharisees! Out I say!” I welcome the internet to poor forth the wills of a hundred million rugged-individualists onto the opinion of the hour.

The rapture will come again. Then another Gengrich Revotlution will putter out, and another watered-down liberal will rule in our name, and we will have to begin again. Eternal vigilence is so annoying.


30 posted on 09/06/2008 1:00:26 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: neverdem
Republicans do not win by moving left. They win by being Republican: pro-freedom, pro-defense, pro-American, by being the party of small government and big ideas.

We seem to keep forgetting that.

31 posted on 09/06/2008 1:07:11 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: neverdem

I am voting for Sarah Palin in November. McCain will benefit.


32 posted on 09/06/2008 1:08:33 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: neverdem

McCain wasn’t my choice, but the primaries are over, and I’ll vote for him. I cannot understand why the McCain haters don’t realize they’re helping Obama, and I’m sick of their whining.


33 posted on 09/06/2008 1:09:47 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Gamecock
"We seem to keep forgetting that."

No, the GOP leadership keeps forgetting that. Those conservatives who rose up against the GOP leaders this year were heard, just as with the Immigration Shamnesty Bill in 2007.

34 posted on 09/06/2008 1:11:07 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: COgamer
I’m amazed by how many people needed Sarah Palin to see the light as to how big a disaster allowing Obama to win would be for America.

That's because you're still missing the point. Obama's not the issue: McCain himself, is.

35 posted on 09/06/2008 1:22:40 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Darkwolf377
Palin would be the McCain to McCain—if he went too far left, she would have no problem announcing this to all, even resigning her vice presidency so she could run against him should he seek re-election as a Democrat-Lite in 2012.

I have even wondered about that myself. What if McCain went off the reservation? Would she quit the VP job, like she quit the oil and gas board in Alaska? I really think she would. In fact, I think it would be a no-brainer for her. She would do it on principle, but it would also be a brilliant political move. The GOP would certainly side with her over an old man deserting principle, and the democrats certainly wouldn't come to his rescue. She would immediately become the odds-on favorite in the next election. Of course McCain knows all of this, so Sarah will keep him in line. What other VP in the history of our country had such a noose around a President's neck?
36 posted on 09/06/2008 1:24:00 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

Keeping McCain from being McCain is not the reason to support Palin; her being the leader of the Republican Party once McCain leaves public life is.


37 posted on 09/06/2008 1:27:04 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Do you think he will go RINO if President, or will he "conservatize".

McCain's choice of Palin puts the Obama/Biden ticket into a corner they cannot escape. When McCain takes office on January 20th, 2009, his choice of Palin puts him into a corner he cannot escape.
38 posted on 09/06/2008 1:29:20 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: neverdem
You could almost think McCain knows what he's doing.

After having watched how McCain and his team have handled this campaign from the start, and almost missing it, until somewhere between Saddleback, and the Dem Convention, I'd say that Mr. Hoven *almost* nailed it. I *do* think that McCain knows what he's doing, and it's been absolutely brilliant!

Lastly, I just *know* that he has even more tricks up his sleeve to finish this arrogant poseur off, between now, and November. He isn't finished yet...

the infowarrior

39 posted on 09/06/2008 1:33:36 AM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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To: Darkwolf377

I agree. On the flip-side, Obama is the “One” that could pass some untouchable reform that only a dictator could accomplish. He’d be a one termer or deposed...but the Socialist Amerika progressive changes would be made and the democrats could play dumb. Obama would be championed (like MLK) in revisionist textbooks.


40 posted on 09/06/2008 1:33:58 AM PDT by endthematrix
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To: papertyger
Keeping McCain from being McCain is not the reason to support Palin; her being the leader of the Republican Party once McCain leaves public life is.

Thankfully a vote for the ticket in November gets you both.
41 posted on 09/06/2008 1:40:14 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Let’s flip a couple of Great Lakes states this time, get up over 300. Who knows? With McCain + military, Palin as both female and northwesterner who knows commercial fishing, and our gateway status with Alaska - we may even stand an outside shot at Washington State this time around.


42 posted on 09/06/2008 1:40:29 AM PDT by Lexinom (Sarah Palin: more executive experience than any candidate on either ticket.)
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To: TommyDale

McCain is not the best conservative out there. But would you rather have a guy who is conservative 2 out of 3 times or a guy who is conservative 0 out of 3 times?

It sure would be nice to knock out Obama this year and then have Palin knock out Hillary in 2012. Because if we can control the white house through 2016 or 2020. Conservatives would own the Supreme Court. Most people dont realize that court is where the real power is in this country. If the far-left activists gain control of it, they could destroy our constitution. A recent poll of Obama supporters showed that 49% believe Supreme Court judges should rule on their “own personal sense of fairness” rather than what it says in the constitution. Scary!


43 posted on 09/06/2008 1:42:49 AM PDT by jerry557
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To: endthematrix

I still marvel at the studied ignorance practiced over the Carter administration! Talk about someone who should have been prosecuted after leaving office!


44 posted on 09/06/2008 1:45:34 AM PDT by papertyger (I'll vote McCain today for him giving us Palin tomorrow.)
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To: infowarrior
McCain and Schmidt obviously have copped on to the fact that little Barry can't tolerate ridicule.

And, of course, they realize that, since Barry is ridiculous, than only ridicule can take him down.

A smart and gutsy strategy, from a smart and gutsy man.

45 posted on 09/06/2008 1:51:53 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: neverdem

Well, if we get the “new, improved” McCain in there, we also need to give him a more conservative Congress. A McCain administration with a 58 seat Dem Senate (and the 8 or so RINOS) won’t be able to get anyone to the right of Souter onto SCOTUS.....and God only knows who Obama, with that same majority, would foist upon us.

One thing at a time, one thing at a time.....


46 posted on 09/06/2008 1:59:49 AM PDT by Sterm26 (Death before Dhimmitude!)
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To: papertyger
Both parties are moving Left, but the once fabian democrats are becoming outright radicals.
47 posted on 09/06/2008 2:00:49 AM PDT by endthematrix
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To: Jim Noble
A smart and gutsy strategy, from a smart and gutsy man.

I had never considered John McCain to actually be that intelligent, but the way he's set up this campaign, which has been just totally jaw-dropping in its scope, has caused me to re-evaluate many of my previous opinions of the man, all to his favor. Quite an accomplishment on his part, as I'll opine that I have the tendency to be as stubborn as he can be...

the infowarrior

48 posted on 09/06/2008 2:01:25 AM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; Norman Bates; LdSentinal; ExTexasRedhead; ...

Interesting editorial. I’m not enthusiastic about McCain, but I’m committed to voting for him. And Sarah Palin, while not my first choice for VP, has turned out to be one of the reasons why.


49 posted on 09/06/2008 2:07:08 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Southack
...and that whole Obama thing?! People! Come on...he’ll be a historical laughingstock who will make people forget McGovern himself.

Hmm... hadn't thought that far down the track yet, but you're right.

Obama will now top McGovern for the absolute worst candidate the RATs have ever run. And that's saying something, considering they ran Lurch four years ago!

50 posted on 09/06/2008 2:26:08 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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