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Commentary: Obama's energy plan would create green gold rush
CNN ^ | August 25, 2008 | Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Posted on 10/08/2008 6:35:02 PM PDT by george76

Obama's policy, which anticipates eliminating imports by 2012 or earlier...

Iceland was 80 percent dependent on imported coal and oil in the 1970s and was among the poorest economies in Europe.

Today, Iceland is 100 percent energy independent, and according to the International Monetary Fund is now the fourth most affluent nation on Earth.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barackobama; coal; democrats; economy; election; electionpresident; elections; energy; financialcrisis; iceland; kennedy; nobama08; obama; obamatruthfile; oil; rfkjrisadrunkdumbass; rfkjrisadrunkretard; robertfkennedyjr
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To: george76

Just so you know what I scream at the TV everytime they bring up ‘alternative energy’ duing debates, interviews, etc:

When the government talks about supporting alternative energy they mean giving taxpayer money to energy companies to pay for inefficient, non profitable boondoggles like the Pickins wind farms. McCain should have bragged everytime Obama accused him of voting against alternative energy.

If alternative energy was really a good alternative they wouldn’t need taxpayer money to prop them up.

Note 1: “While Pickens touts a plan in the name of environmentalism that will also line his company’s pockets, a #dontgo investigation has revealed that another environmental champion and backer of Proposition 10 has also invested in CLNE: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.

According to the investigation, Pelosi purchased $50,000-$100,000 in CLNE stock on May 25, 2007, apparently on its initial public offering.”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=72225

Note 2: Since the highest energy demands tend to be when the wind is at its lowest, and vice virsa, wind farms do not provide much in terms of efficiency. There are also many physics problems that have not been overcome (Betz’ Law). You still have to have just as many traditional energy sources to make up for the shortage when wind power poops out.

http://www.ftexploring.com/energy/wind-enrgy.html


21 posted on 10/08/2008 6:57:09 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: george76

IIRC, the last great “green gold rush” was in Holland in the 1600’s, involving tulip bulbs.


22 posted on 10/08/2008 7:02:48 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Don't call us, Barry. We'll call you.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Zero will promise anything, and he’s too stupid to know we know just how stupid he is.

That's the problem. He's not stupid. He and his mentors have a plan to destroy this country and replace it with a communist state. And he is working very hard to achieve it. The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis

23 posted on 10/08/2008 7:04:45 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: DJ Taylor

***Eatin’ Obama Stew***

There’s a big, brown cloud in the city,
And the countryside’s a sin.
An’ the price of gas is too high to give up,
Gotta come down again.
When the world wide war is over and done,
And the dream of peace comes true.
We’ll all be drinkin’ free gin & juice,
and Eatin’ Obama stew.

When they find out how to burn water,
And the gasoline car is gone.
When an airplane flies without any fuel,
And the satellite heats our home.
One of these days when the air clears up,
And the sun comes shinin’ through.
We’ll all be drinkin’ free gin & juice,
and eatin’ Obama stew.

Eatin’ Obama stew in a silver spoon,
Underneath that sky of blue.
All be drinkin’ free gin & juice,
An’ eatin’ Obama stew.


24 posted on 10/08/2008 7:09:34 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: george76

Iceland is geologically anomalous and unlike almost any other country on earth. It sits on a huge “hot spot” on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, where enormous amounts of hot molten rock rise from the depths, creating numerous volcanoes and geysers, any one of which has many times the energy output of even one of William Ayers’ famous bombs, or Algore’s mammoth domestic household usage, or one of Ted Kennedy’s alcoholic belches. Zerobama’s theories that trivial sources like “wind and solar” are the answer are absolutely assinine. Too bad McCain lacks the brains to make that point.


25 posted on 10/08/2008 7:09:49 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: george76

Yup. Iceland is broke. We have FOUR times the Saudis reserves in shale oil, coal diesel and ND oil at $30 a barrel. PElosi, Reid and Obama just want to make the Saudis richer.


26 posted on 10/08/2008 7:14:34 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie

There is a mothballed geothermal plant near El Centro CA.
It was built after the last energy crisis, but never operated, because of high operating costs.
Hot fluids from the earth=corrosion.


27 posted on 10/08/2008 7:19:06 PM PDT by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: george76; All
If I go out and break a bunch of windows, I suppose that would create some work for people who fix windows. It sure doesn't add any wealth. Installing new windows in a new building, that creates wealth. Installing double pane windows in an existing house to save energy is great. But we don't need government programs to do this. The money saved by installing double pane windows is incentive enough.
The kind of jobs Kennedy is talking about do not create wealth!. I seen RFK Jr. on TV many times. He's a fool and buffoon. In fact he's kind of a pathetic. He doesn't understand energy. He doesn't understand engineering or science. (I'll bet Kennedy couldn't change the tire on his car if he got a flat.) He doesn't understand economics. Without his family connections, he would have a job as a clerk or a librarian somewhere. And this is not to degrade clerks or librarians. Kennedy is simply not a terribly smart guy. He could not have earned an Engineering Degree at any good quality College or University to save his life.
But then again most people on this site already know this. What makes me angry is that this guy gets quite a bit of press when he talks about energy or environmental issues. The sycophants on CNN or MSNBC won't challenge him or are even dumber than he is.
28 posted on 10/08/2008 7:23:14 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Oldexpat

Here’s one everybody will understand. Ever been to Yellowsone Park? They used to have metal handrails aound some of the geysers and paint pots, but they didn’t last very long. I think most of them are wood now.


29 posted on 10/08/2008 7:31:44 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: Mr. UhUhUh

It would be amusing, to say the least, to hear Odumbo’s answer to that question.


30 posted on 10/08/2008 7:34:42 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: normy
Come on now. Don’t ya know that thousands of uneducated oppressed folks will move to regions where they can create their own windmill and sell the profits to the local General Store?

Profits? What profits, comrade? Only the class enemy would allow for there to be a surplus of capital. Also, the windmills will be property of the workers, peasants, and toiling masses (all under the watchful "management" of the local windmill commissar).
31 posted on 10/08/2008 7:39:54 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: george76

Guess the ‘green’ in Iceland disappeared so fast they will need some of Russia’s petro dollars to stave off bankruptcy. Bot only that Mr. Kennedy, Iceland is a country of 350,000 people with vast geo thermal resources. We are a country with over 300 million and lots of land to traverse. Will the enviro-nazis ever learn?? My guess is no.


32 posted on 10/08/2008 7:44:44 PM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: dr_who

The first green ‘gold rush’ is already a bust. The ethanol whores at ADM sucjed up the $ and we paid in higher food prices. Now even the gov’t 50cent a gallon subsidy and tariffs on Brazilian ethanol can’t keep e85 competitive with unleaded. In our area gas prices have fallen so fast refular unleaded sells for less than E85. Even a moron with a flex fuel vehicle would be out of his mind to put the E85 in his tank. It gets about 20% worse fuel mileage than regular unleaded.

Ethanol plants around the midwest are shuttering due to high corn prices and low ethanol selling price. A perfect example of gov’t intervention creating a new industry built on faulty economic assumptions. Now it is imploding and nobody should be surprised one bit.


33 posted on 10/08/2008 7:49:06 PM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: Army Air Corps
True. Commander 0bama will be sure to give us extra rations of corn if the windmills are completed on time, apples and milk would be nice too but Commander 0bama along with Comrades Pelosi and Reid need those items more than we do for it is scientific proof that it helps them to think more clearly . Poor Boxer, however, will be destined for the glue factory.Unfortunately I do not mean Barbara Boxer
34 posted on 10/08/2008 7:52:56 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Pan_Yan
"You still have to have just as many traditional energy sources to make up for the shortage when wind power poops out."

Then they'll just blame the lack of wind on "global warming".

35 posted on 10/08/2008 7:58:06 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: normy
Commander 0bama

That's just the shortened version of The One's title. He better known as The Peoples' Glorious Supreme Revolutionary Commissar Obama.
36 posted on 10/08/2008 7:58:30 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: george76
Today, Iceland is 100 percent energy independent, and according to the International Monetary Fund is now the fourth most affluent nation on Earth.

Oh snap. Low hanging fruit. Somebody better hit the damn thing out of the park. Or at least let people know that so far the only ones to get rich from this have done so through extortion and bribery.

37 posted on 10/08/2008 8:03:31 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Amazing how Obama, Rangel, Biden and Dodd all got killer mortgage rates and below cost property.)
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To: george76


One of the millions of Green Jobs waiting to be created....
38 posted on 10/08/2008 8:05:09 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: george76


Super OB to the rescue.
39 posted on 10/08/2008 11:00:26 PM PDT by Rick_Michael
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To: Army Air Corps

You got it right. Small business depends upon the basic factors of economics like land, labor and capital, and, then add all the Gov red tape from the EEOC, WC, ADA, to tax policy.

Since Obama thinks $250 K a year is wealthy, he is going to kill most small businesses with 10-20 employees or more. If these small businesses are to survive, while paying higher taxes, they will have to pass that extra tax cost on to the consumer.

So Obama hurts the small businessman/woman plus digs into the wallets of the folks that he claims to protect. A bouble whammy.

This must be some foreign and/or socialist economics philospy I never took in 30 semester hours of Econ. Frankly, I doubt if Obama knows a damn thing about econ or business.


40 posted on 10/09/2008 5:46:32 AM PDT by Lumper20
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