15th from bottom.
Lic #32957
Search list of all licensed plumbers in Lucas County, Ohio
http://elicense1-roster.com.ohio.gov/default.asp
Posted on 10/16/2008 8:25:32 PM PDT by DaveTesla
[posted by ArrMatey]
By now I hope you read my earlier post below. Link is here. Across the blogosphere, we have news that Joe the Plumber, single father, American working guy, aspiring business owner, is about to be shut down and put out of work, to the great glee of Obama supporters.
I am angry. I know I ought not blog angry. I’m going to count to a hundred, listen to some Men without Hats, and finish writing this in a few….
I’m back. It’s amazing what a few minutes listening to Pop Goes the World can do for you. Here are the links: 1. HotAir reports that “Toledo Moves to Shut Down Joe the Plumber”. 2. NBC affiliate reports that even Joe’s boss is not licensed: “If the boss of a company has valid documentation employees are covered. However, NBC-24 learned neither Joe, nor his boss Al Newell, are authorized to do work in Lucas County.” 3. MSNBC repeats what I’ll shortly show you is incorrect, that boss Newell is not licensed: “And the county Wurzelbacher and Newell live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses, but neither is licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.”
And so on. Now let me tell you that many news outlets are getting the story right, that Joe’s boss, Mr. Newell (in business since 1974, God bless you sir, I’m sure you could never have imagined all this happening to you in America), is in fact licensed in Lucas County. How do I know? Because the State of Ohio’s computers told me so, and they would tell the media the same if they looked…like I did.
Mr. Newell is licensed. He is licensed in Lucas County. His license number starts with the digits 329 and then has two more digits. I don’t see any need to post more identifying information about innocent people. Search here, plug in the right paramaters, and you can download the list of all licensed plumbers in Lucas County, Ohio. It is not difficult, though you have to provide information about yourself as the requester of the information.
So I got this list of licensees.
Mr. Newell is on that list. And if I read the rules of apprenticeship correctly (I am not an Ohio attorney, and yes I could be reading it wrong), the reported date of November 2003 as the date of filing of Joe’s apprenticeship papers seems to be just fine. According to this,
“The Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board (O.C.I.L.B.), Department of Commerce, Division of Industrial Compliance, issues state commercial licenses to the following contractors: electrical, HVAC, hydronics, plumbing, and refrigeration. To receive a state license, an applicant must meet the following requirements: 1) be at least 18 years of age; 2) be a United States citizen or a legal alien-must provide proof of being a legal alien; 3) either have been a tradesperson in the type of licensed trade for which the application is filed for not less than five years immediately prior to the date the application is filed, currently be a registered engineer in this state with three years of business experience in the construction industry in the trade for which the engineer is applying to take the examination, or have other experience acceptable to the appropriate section of the board; 4) not have been convicted of or plead guilty to a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude or of any felony; 5) pass the examination in the trade; 6) carry minimum $500,000 contractor liability coverage; 7) pay the applicable fees”
So here’s the point. Many news outlets have gotten it correct, but some have not and that needs to be corrected. Mr. Newell is licensed, and Joe the Plumber is just short of his five years before he can apply for licensure, but as supervised by Newell, he’s o.k.. You can look at screen captures of the entire list of Lucas County licensed plumbers here (part 1) and here (part 2). And as we read the news stories about local officials mobilizing to put Joe out of work, (quote: “A staff person with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection told On Call this afternoon that her division will contact Wurzelbacher to notify him that he can’t work without a license. “We’re trying to track him down,” she said”), consider the following:
Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on the list of licensees. Disclaimer: I don’t care that none of them are on the list, and I know that not necessarily every one of the union officers are plumbers at all, as they also represent other trades. That said, their spokesman is on record slamming Joe about licensure.
Alan W. Newell's license.
15th from bottom.
Lic #32957
Search list of all licensed plumbers in Lucas County, Ohio
http://elicense1-roster.com.ohio.gov/default.asp
I think Joe the plumber should have to produce his license right after Obama provides his birth certificate.
That's because they know full well that Joe the Plumber was the real winner of the 3rd presidential debate and he continues to win it and hammer the liberal, socialist, dems today.
By extensions, all Americans are winners.
But, because Joe the Plumber was honest about the impact of the Obama plans from his perspective, and because he did not drink the Obama kool-aid, the MSM, the DNC, and the Obama campaign now consider that hard working, well spoken, young man as the enemy.
They are already beginning to attack him relentlessly.
So be it, it will reflect badly back on them just as their attacks on Sarah have done.
Just as Patrick Henry indicated, and that truth still holds today...if we will hold the course, God in Heaven will raise up friends to help fight these battles.
Sarah Palin is one such friend...now, out of obscurity, Joe the Plumber is another.
All thanks for this goes, IMHO, to a merciful God in Heaven! and millions of hard working, partiotic, loyal Americans who will not give up...two of which, Joe and Sarah, have been brought forth before us all to express these sentiments.
The truth is that the left, the Obama campaign, the DNC, and the MSM will lie, fabricate, misquote, commit fruad, beg, borrow, or steal in their effort to slow down what is happening on the ground with the McCain campaign right now, and particularly with the likes of Joe and especially Sarah Palin who is burrowing underneath all of their hype and drawing 25-30,000 people at a time to her rallies and getting the message of hope and conservative values out.
Obama and his ilk know it, they fear it, and they will do anything they can to stop it...but they shall also fail in the attempt. Truth has a way of shining all the brighter in darkness.
Exactly. This ain’t about Joe, it’s about BHO!
If this had happened in Soviet Russia, we would have said, “see, that’s what communist oppression does.” Oh, wait...
The MSM has no problem with illegal aliens, organizations enagaging in voter fraud or domestic terrorists who worked with Obama but they have to run around checking plumbers licenses?
Man Joe really pissed these people off. He exposed the Emperor with No Clothes and made fools of the MSM.
Y-y-y-ou mean... the lamestream media LIED???
My only hope is that this witch hunt gets broadcast and the Sarah-fi-cation of Joe the Plumber is brought to the eyes of every American. It will be the end of Obama.
I hope this guy goes on tv and tells everyone what Obama’s supporters are doing to him
I will NOT post the personal info, I find it invasive. It has all sort of people on there--Paulson, Palin, etc. Want to report the site for invasion of privacy, but couldn't find the info on the pages. PS If you think this is over the top. Report "abuse" on it.
Will Alan Newell own MSNBC now with the lawsuit coming?
I’ve been saying the same thing: Obama produce your birth certificate and Joe will produce a license to plumb!!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107685/posts
What’s up with this? This retarded article says Joe still needs a license. Maybe I’m reading this wrong!?
Who exactly is MSM?
Maybe the people need to look into them.
AND......The MSM and Obama are the kind of government that will do this type of thing to people like Joe....ho lee crap. This is an awful shame.
Truth also has a fist.
Does the White House have its own plumber?
Joe would fit the bill nicely.
Some newspapers are devoting a lot of reporters to this. See
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/16/MNQ013J6JV.DTL&type=politics
[and yes, all you lurking DUers, it can happen to *you* just as easily so you better toe that fine, worshipful line and never EVER make a misstep]
This how dictatorships work.
What happens to Joe happens to all of us.
He is the new ‘symbol for the American middle class’....and they will try everything to martyr him for it.
Gee, you mean the media sucks? Really?
Here comes change! Sieg Heil! Hail Obama!
In the meantime, the MSM ignores gaping scandals such as Ayers, admitted cocaine use, birth certificate forgery, socialist party (new party) membership, babykilling votes, and 5 other scandals brewing right here on FR.
McCain has been handed a huge opportunity on a golden platter. He should respond to the MSM and Dem's politics of personal destruction by defending Joe and castigating his attackers. Is this the way the average working man is treated by the Dems? Is this the price of free speech? Why is Joe being made the target of this abuse for something Obama said?
This is really big if McCain has the smarts to use it. Obama and the MSM bullies against the common man. The possibilities to exploit this are endless and can be played out until election day.
I was thinking more along the lines of secretary of commerce.
“Undocumented plumbers”. I love it. More concern over undocumented American plumbers than undocumented immigrants. The news media is ludicrous.
Heck, some media outlet must have googled a Joe Wurzelbacher and came up with a 71 gentleman from Cincinnati, OH and saying that’s the guy to go after. (poor guy is going to get hassled, too) They are still pushing that Joe was a “plant,” even though it was Obama walking through Joe’s neighborhood, near Joe’s property, NOT Joe at an Obama rally.
I read on another thread a license is not required for residential work. Is this true? Maybe Joe just does residential plumbing?
“Exactly. This ain’t about Joe, it’s about BHO”
Eggsackly. No matter who Joe is (bitter, gun-clinger, whatever), he didn’t put O’s answer into O’s bone head.
Spread the wealth?
I’m still astonished. I thought O was supposed to be the smart guy.
Look like Joe got moe smarts.
“Why is Joe being made the target of this abuse for something Obama said?”
Because for one, fleeting second, the mask came off and everyone got to see The Evil One’s =true face=.
For that sin of revelation, Joe must pay.
The MSM is against the govt looking into shady characters, but has no problem trying to ruin decent people.
Oh, by the way, not to put too fine a point on the point: Even if Joe was a plant, he didn’t put the bonehead remark into the bonehead’s mouth.
Here’s another dirty little secret these liberal democrats will never admit to, but it’s true.
They privately resent the hell out anyone like Joe who is a “lowly plumber” that has aspirations of earning the kind of money that would put them in the elite income class. Think about it and you’ll see why they can’t help themselves from attacking him, just like they did Sarah Palin - he represents a threat to their world view. They want people like him (and like many of US) to be content hanging around Wal-Mart and clinging to our guns (until they take them away, that is).
Liberals cannot tolerate the notion of true equality that they espouse so much and they engage in personal attacks against those who have the ability to show others how shallow they really are.
Leno joking about him “not even a plumber!”...Joe Biden is coming up next on Leno, sure he will add to it.
Dispelling the darkness is the principle fist. No place to hide for lies, dark deeds, and deciet when the truth shine upon it...and then history and events can take their natural course, once it has been exposed, to eradicate it.
He’ll be fine. He looks like he’s got a good head on his shoulders and strong enough to deal with these hacks.
There are a lot of conservatives out there that won’t let this guy or his boss lose a job thanks to Obama’s thugs. It’s not something I’m too worried about. Heck, Rush might even hire the guy to be on call 24/7 if it came down to it.
Just keep focused on a) What Obama thugs are doing to an average hard working American citizen and b) what Obama said.
The Nixon White House did. It didn't work out for them.
No matter, with the tools we have at hand, we can take care of the business ourselves.
don’t we all, in our hearts, wish that Joe is, or will become, one of us?
God bless you, Joe, wherever you might be. You did a good thing.
Who’s “Leno”?
[I never watch that lying creep]
I'm think he should be the head of the IRS!
There are tens of millions more like him.
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Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exxVZTKq1vA See also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4 for a really good 10 minute video about the problem. Demoncrats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
Hey, I think I would listen to the Rush and Joe show. I have wanted something like that for years a regular “Joe” on talk radio.
Hang in there, Joe.
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