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Did Obama's ACORN Steal Dem Nomination from Hillary?
Newsvine ^ | October 20, 2008 | Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Posted on 10/20/2008 5:27:05 PM PDT by Newsvine Tom Bombadil

As new scandals erupt daily concerning the sleazy attempts of ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to steal the upcoming Presidential election, it is worth looking to the not-so-distant past and investigate the role that ACORN played in the defeat of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton during the Democratic Party Caucuses and Primaries. Given ACORN's strong and undeniable ties to both Senator Barack Obama and his campaign, and their proven track record of aggressive deception, duplicity, fraud, and corruption, it is instructive to see if their present attempts at vote fraud reflect earlier efforts in the Democratic Caucuses and Primaries.

This basic, explicit question that must be asked by all concerned Democrats, Republicans, and Independants is this: Did ACORN register inelgible voters, collect invalid names, engage in voter intimidation, or seek to cast unlawful votes in the Democratic Party nomination process, and if so, was that a factor in Obama's narrow win?

Not only should supporters of Senator Clinton be outraged by this plausible likelihood, but every voter in America who cherishes our sacred rights and the integrity of our election system should be angered ... and demanding some immediate answers.

There is ample evidence of ACORN's unholy marriage of partisan "ends justifies the means" ethos combined with their shoddy recruiting, hiring, training, and accountability practices. This, combined with election officials and courts in certain districts who are hell-bent on rushing through every registration - without credibly checking voter identification - is a recipe for disaster. Indeed, it is a recipe for voter fraud on an unprecedented scale.

The Far Left often accuses Conservatives of "voter supression." The fact is, Conservatives are delighted when legitimate voters exercise their Constitutional right to vote; but Conservatives must unapologetically stand with fair-minded Democrats and Independants in calling for a supression of lawlessness and fraud on Election Day. This is not a peripheral or tangential issue; it goes straight to the heart of Obama's personal integrity, his deeply troublesome alliances with radical individuals and groups, and his true vision for America.

Part of this process is in demanding an immediate investigation into the role that ACORN played in the Democratic Primaries. In invite every concerned citizen to join with me in broadcasting this demand to their friends, to every elected official, law enforcement agency, and responsible media outlet.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008dncconvention; acorn; clinton; demprimary; fraud; leftwingconspiracy; obama
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I am a regular columnist at Newsvine.com and I thought you might be interested in this very important issue. Thanks!
1 posted on 10/20/2008 5:27:07 PM PDT by Newsvine Tom Bombadil
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil
Probably not. I mean, Mickey Mouse might have registered, but I seriously doubt someone voted as Mickey Mouse. Voter registration fraud is different than voter fraud.

Either way, the Acorn situation sucks, and I'm glad it was exposed in the national media.
2 posted on 10/20/2008 5:30:08 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Have you seen the series of youtube videos where people talk about how the obama supporters locked them out of caucuses and ballot sheets were missing? Pretty revealing


3 posted on 10/20/2008 5:30:37 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Obama prays to himself: "The prayer that I tell myself every night ...")
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Yes


4 posted on 10/20/2008 5:30:59 PM PDT by VastRWCon (www.AuctionBump.com - free ebay auction advertising)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Look up the history of the Bolsheviks and Mencheviks


5 posted on 10/20/2008 5:31:49 PM PDT by Peelod (AmSoc 8yp doubleplusunbad.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil
If so, why have Bill & Hillary been so paasive, even reluctantly campaigning for the guy?

If they are planning on Nuking Obamah, they are cutting it close.

6 posted on 10/20/2008 5:33:04 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil
Yes. See the 4 part YouTube documentary, "We Will Not Be Silenced". Also see Lynette Long's current blog post. She's done the math on it.
7 posted on 10/20/2008 5:34:49 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (The day begins and ends in Alaska.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

I’m sure bho employed nefarious tactics.

Clinton made the mistake of not introducing rev. wright before Iowa. It cost her the nomination.


8 posted on 10/20/2008 5:36:04 PM PDT by Doug TX
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To: mysterio

Voter registration fraud is different than voter fraud.


Not if the fake voters are on the roles in precincts where nobody watches the counting.


9 posted on 10/20/2008 5:36:24 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Welcome to the real world.


10 posted on 10/20/2008 5:36:27 PM PDT by Libloather (October is Liberal Awareness Month.)
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To: mysterio

I understand the danger in over registering voters is when crooked poll workers vote for those who didn’t show by the end of the day.


11 posted on 10/20/2008 5:39:28 PM PDT by keats5 ("I hope for his sake, Joe Biden got that VP thing in writing."- Rudy)
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To: Rippin

Honestly, I’m more worried about our nation’s decision to pretty much move exclusively to electronic voting when a 12 year old can hack those machines.


12 posted on 10/20/2008 5:39:35 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
Probably not. I mean, Mickey Mouse might have registered, but I seriously doubt someone voted as Mickey Mouse.

Why do you doubt that? If election officials receive an absentee ballot from a properly-registered "Mickey D. Mouse", what basis would they have for rejecting it? It's highly improbable that any real voter would have that name, but how it any worse of a name than "Moon Unit Zappa"?

13 posted on 10/20/2008 5:40:17 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Barbara Streisand)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
In the dim, dark days when I was a registered Democrat I attended one Democrat Caucus and never have I seen such a disorganized, confused and finally uncommitted mess. I have no idea of who was in charge nor what was reported to the party headquarters. The end result was Jimmy Carter. The next time I tried to attend with my (also registered Democrat)neighbor we could never find the address, this after calling and getting directions at least five times. It became apparent they didn't want anyone they didn't “know” to show up. Caucuses are an open invitation to corruption and thievery.
14 posted on 10/20/2008 5:44:32 PM PDT by pepperdog (The world has gone crazy.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Welcome to FR. I’ve read some of your stuff.

In answer to the rhetorical question....YES.


15 posted on 10/20/2008 5:45:51 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: supercat
Because a lot of the fraud occurred right here in Indiana, and we have photo ID laws. I doubt Mickey has a license that says Mickey. Other states my differ.

Those who committed the fraud should be held to the laws they violated, tough.
16 posted on 10/20/2008 5:45:56 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

The only way someone COULD vote as Mickey Mouse or anyone else for that matter would be if there was no republican poll watcher and corrupt Dems just “let it go” if you know what I mean....don’t think that doesn’t happen either.


17 posted on 10/20/2008 5:46:31 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

I absolutely believe ACORN had something to do with it and help from others in Obama camp too. I’ve seen snips from the documentary that is coming out. There is no doubt in my mind.


18 posted on 10/20/2008 5:47:24 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: jennyjenny

I totally agree, I watched the video too, the people were totally credible and explained things so they made sense.


19 posted on 10/20/2008 5:48:52 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: mysterio

The series of videos on YouTube mentioned above: “We Will Not Be Silenced” is very telling. The caucus form of primary seems to have been crucial in the Obama’s ability to steal delegates from Hillary. Intimidation, shady practices, and organized disorganization (conspiracy) seemed to play a big part in this. After you have heard about Alinsky’s techniques and the idea of getting in peoples’ faces, you can see Obama’s ACORN at work. No wonder Bill Clinton was upset.


20 posted on 10/20/2008 5:56:49 PM PDT by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil
If Bill Clinton didn't have a legacy to worry about, I DO believe Hillary would go after Obama with this. Team Soros/Obama would destroy what little chance there is for Clinton Legacy if they did.
21 posted on 10/20/2008 5:59:44 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: TexasCajun
If so, why have Bill & Hillary been so paasive, even reluctantly campaigning for the guy?

If they are planning on Nuking Obamah, they are cutting it close.

LOL... Obama is a once in a lifetime politician. The charisma of JFK and the will to power of LBJ. The Clintons, no stranger to the exercise of power themselves, know the consequences of crossing the big O. They'll wait from the sidelines and hope he fails, but they'll go out of their way not to cross him. They know what's good for them.
22 posted on 10/20/2008 6:05:13 PM PDT by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

I’m sure he did, but I’m also sure he did nothing to the Clintons that they haven’t done to the Republicans.


23 posted on 10/20/2008 6:05:40 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Of course they did. As pointed out above the primary voting results did not jibe with the caucus results. Hillary has decided that deiscretion is the better part of valor-she’ll challange him in ‘12.


24 posted on 10/20/2008 6:06:00 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: mysterio
Because a lot of the fraud occurred right here in Indiana, and we have photo ID laws. I doubt Mickey has a license that says Mickey. Other states my differ.

A photo ID is required for absentee voting?

25 posted on 10/20/2008 6:06:00 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Barbara Streisand)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

It’s becoming more and more clear why no one should vote for Obama.

I have a Vietnamese techie that does my computer and he says he absolutely will not vote for Obama. His reason is he is from Viet Namn. He asked that should explain it. He knows what it like to live under corrruption.


26 posted on 10/20/2008 6:09:50 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Two words: Hillary’s Revenge


27 posted on 10/20/2008 6:10:38 PM PDT by pray4liberty (The Lord is on the side of the truly righteous. The MSM is not.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Yep, Change We Can Believe In....politicians even more corrupt than before!!!


28 posted on 10/20/2008 6:11:12 PM PDT by pray4liberty (The Lord is on the side of the truly righteous. The MSM is not.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil
'Did ACORN register inelgible voters, collect invalid names, engage in voter intimidation, or seek to cast unlawful votes in the Democratic Party nomination process, and if so, was that a factor in Obama's narrow win?'

Does a dog bark, or a fish swim?

29 posted on 10/20/2008 6:14:36 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

It’s well worth analyzing the events at a few of the most heated and controversial of the Democrat caucuses last winter and spring. IIRC, there were allegations of all kinds of vote tampering and exclusions of Hillary delegates at some of the caucuses such as in Texas, etc. Don’t know if it might have been ACORN or other activists for Obama, but the PUMA types have been enraged over it ever since. Hillary decided there was no way to win by tearing the party apart over it, but there may well be some good ammo on the PUMA websites etc. about what the Obamantion did to win some of the Democrat caucuses.


30 posted on 10/20/2008 6:15:08 PM PDT by Enchante (America: has Obama told you about his "New Party" that sought to spread SOCIALISM??)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

I’m sure he did. What people don’t realize is that if these people appear on the voter rolls and don’t vote then there is nothing stopping someone who is crooked who works either at the polls (if all are in agreement and being paid) or works for the board of elections to mix these illegal votes into the legal ones. I only read the excerpt but did the author mention that Obama bussed his supporters in the pack the caucuses and keep the legal Hillary voters out. This is well documented by those at the HillaryClintonforum


31 posted on 10/20/2008 6:16:36 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

I’ve read about some intimidation during the nomination process. It seems the Dem nomination process can be stolen fairly easily and so the country suffers as a result.


32 posted on 10/20/2008 6:17:15 PM PDT by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Now THIS is very interesting and something I had not considered.


33 posted on 10/20/2008 6:54:55 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Kill the revenue stream - do not give hits to Leftist supporting websites)
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To: Rippin

Bill Sammon made this point on TV a couple of days ago—corrupt poll officials can cast the votes in the names of the fictitious voters.


34 posted on 10/20/2008 6:58:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Something happened.I don’t know what but I would like to.


35 posted on 10/20/2008 6:58:55 PM PDT by sport
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To: mabelkitty

I’m sure the PUMAS have considered it...


36 posted on 10/20/2008 6:59:28 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: mysterio
"Honestly, I’m more worried about our nation’s decision to pretty much move exclusively to electronic voting when a 12 year old can hack those machines." If they could be hacked so easily there wouldnt be a need for ACORN... And election fraud is election fraud.
37 posted on 10/20/2008 7:24:16 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Not allowing Michigan and Florida to participate cost Hillary the election. Obama just got lucky.


38 posted on 10/20/2008 7:30:17 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: All

no matter WHAT the outcome of this election, our country needs some serious overhauling of the voting laws!!!!!!

Sadly if Obama wins from fraud, it would be the last thing he would sign into law!!!!!!


39 posted on 10/20/2008 7:32:41 PM PDT by pollywog (I will lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help. My help comes from the Lord...Ps 121)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil
Obama's brown shirt squad.

Is that an ACORN symbol on the medal over the chest?

40 posted on 10/20/2008 8:02:14 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (NOBAMA - it is for our future)
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To: pepperdog

Interesting - thanks for the reply. The whole set up sounds weird to me - vote then you have to attend an entirely different location that night to vote again..... really strange.


41 posted on 10/20/2008 8:03:01 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Obama prays to himself: "The prayer that I tell myself every night ...")
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To: mysterio

You have proof Micky didn’t vote.

Here’s how they do it. They get 100,000 phony registrations and then get 25-50K fraudulent votes and then flood the system. They then get an army of attorneys to challenge every vote and get 10-30K through. Enough to make a difference. Very likely that Hilary got beat by fraud.

Pray for W, McCuda and Our Troops


42 posted on 10/20/2008 8:08:05 PM PDT by bray (It's the Corruption Stupid)
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To: bray

Hillary got beaten by the cult of personality. That’s my opinion, at least.


43 posted on 10/20/2008 8:09:48 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: sport

Check out this link: http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm


44 posted on 10/20/2008 8:14:14 PM PDT by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil
Not only should supporters of Senator Clinton be outraged by this plausible likelihood, but every voter in America who cherishes our sacred rights and the integrity of our election system should be angered ... and demanding some immediate answers.

Yes it is probably true that Obama stole the election from Hillary. But no laws were broken as near as I can tell. It is up to the dems to decide who they put on the ballot. The dems let Bad Boy Barack be the Bully in the Schoolyard. Hillary and company should have stood up to "That One." I am not angered by anything that goes on within the dem party for we all know them for who they are.

I do get ballistic, however, when the dems take their dirty games into the political forum that is governed by law, be it election law, the Logan Act, anti-corruption laws, RICO, campaign financing,.....

45 posted on 10/20/2008 8:16:12 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: TexasCajun

True:

With ‘early voting’ the impact of any last minute October surprises are muted by the fact that voters do not have ‘all’ of the news before casting a vote. FLA started today; what if enough Obama supporters show up to carry FLA for Obama; and his campaign implodes between now and Nov 4.

Hillary substitutes for Obama, and McCain gets 268 Electoral votes, Hillary wins the rest. Disaster.

Early voting is just asking for a Constitutional Crisis.

It needs to be banned. The date of the Presidential election is prescribed as the first Tuesday in November; not ‘as many days as we can get’ with the first Tuesday in November as a deadline.


46 posted on 10/20/2008 8:16:12 PM PDT by Reagan80 ("Government is not the solution to our problem, Government IS the problem." -RR; 1980 Inaugural)
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To: TexasCajun

Guess you could see this played with many ends but Morris came out tonight and asked if Barack was ever asked if he was a dealer in drugs.


47 posted on 10/20/2008 8:24:06 PM PDT by fatima (Put your lipstick on girls and go vote.)
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To: Newsvine Tom Bombadil

Thanks for coming aboard.

Yes, the Obama people stole it from Hillary. They did it with their organization on the ground and what they did in the caucus states.

Perhaps this also did a little damage to Hillary - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019&pr=goog-sl

We debuted the one hour film almost one year ago at Harvard on her birthday. A 13-min clip has been been seen by well over 8 million on the Internet.


48 posted on 10/20/2008 8:46:16 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Absolutely right! It’s funny, somebody earlier tonight was telling me that we ought to call ACORN “Obama’s Brownshirts.” Ain’t it the truth?


49 posted on 10/20/2008 8:46:16 PM PDT by Newsvine Tom Bombadil
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To: mysterio

I believe that voter registration fraud indicates an intent to commit vote fraud. As Ken Blackwell and John Fund have amply demonstrated in their writing and speaking, once a voter is registered, all kinds of opportunities open up for fraud and malfeasance.


50 posted on 10/20/2008 8:46:16 PM PDT by Newsvine Tom Bombadil
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