'Smears' About Obama Largely True (incl. ineligible)

NewsMax ^ | 10/20/2008 | Lowell Ponte

[solfour]

The Obama campaign says its candidate is a victim of “smears” -- and has even created a Web site to fight such attacks.

But a Newsmax investigation finds many of the so-called smears are largely based in truth -- and the Obama campaign uses half-truths, clever language and ad hominem attacks to spin the facts.

Obama’s www.FightTheSmears.com focuses mainly on anti-Obama messages being repeated on the Internet and talk radio, the only media where Obama ideological allies are not dominant.

These “smears” and the Obama rebuttals are often framed in lawyerly language that leaves much wiggle room in the candidate’s answers.

FightTheSmears.com also makes no attempt at objectivity, describing Obama’s critics as “pushing misleading research and distorted claims” because they are “ideologues” busy “spreading a ‘pack of lies’ about Barack.”

[stan_sipple]

or surrendered it in the 1970’s

[Barney59]

Excellent point PJ, you are right-on...

[Sloth]

Furthermore, when Soweto (sp) adopted Obama, that made Obama an Indonesian citizen. Non-Indonesian and non-Muslim children could not attend Indonesian schools. On his school records Obama is listed as an Indonesian citizen and his religion as Islam. At that point, the only way for Obama to become an American citizen was to go through the naturalization process

Setting aside the Hawaii / Kenya birth issue, I don't see how the above matters. Where does U.S. law indicate a loss of citizenship, if the above is true?

[austinaero]

“Obama, if true, was born on foreign soil to only 1 American parent.”

There have been many threads over many months regarding this. His mother was not of legal age when he was born. PLUS the fact that he has not been honest about where he was born PLUS the fact that dual citizens cannot be POTUS, PLUS the fact that he traveled to Pakistan during a time when the State Dept did not allow it so he had to use another country of origin on his passport (which of course, is not available for review).

Tons of threads - this is just it in a quickie layman’s view (or woman’s in my case)

[savedbygrace]

The Constitutional requirement is a natural born U. S. citizen. If Obama were born in Kenya to an American mother and a Kenyan father, he would not be a natural born U. S. citizen, though he could become a U. S. citizen.

[expatpat]

You forgot to add that Obama is using all legal methods to avoid providing a valid birth certificate to the Court hearing Berg’s suit. This is itself suspicious behavior.

[RasterMaster]

Even if Osama HUSSEIN Obama was born in Hawaii as he claims (which I don't believe since his own relatives claim to have been present at his birth in Kenya), he lost that citizenship when he was adopted by a foreign citizen and moved to Indonesia.

If he came back to the US and applied for citizenship, he'd be a NATURALIZED citizen and therefore inelible.

[Cyclone59]

I was curious about that as well. Because when Mac was born in Panama, there was a law or statement on the books that declared the area of Panama “sovereign territory of the United States during the years of such and such”.

[sheik yerbouty]

You’d better reread the Constitution. the Panama canal Zone was a US Territory. Kenya was not.

[okie01]

They were both born to American parents, at least one, and would be citizens.

True, one parent who is an American citizen is all it takes.

However, by statute, at the time of his birth, that one American parent had to be a citizen for at least five years. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time...and, in this case, the clock didn't start ticking on citizenship until you reached your majority.

In addition, if Obama was born in Kenya, and if Stanley Ann had met the conditions, Obama would've been born with dual citizenship -- in Kenya and the USA. When he turned 18, under American law, he would've been obligated to renounce one or the other.

I'm not saying he's ineligible...but these are valid questions.

[Grampa Dave]

"The biggest problem I have with the birth record released by Obama is that his father’s race is listed as “African.” Back in 1961 it would have been listed as “Negro.” “African” or “African-American” is a designation not used until years later. Absolutely NO birth certificates in the USA back in 1961 used “African” as a racial designation."

Notice on Obama's official site, his birth certificate says OHBM 1.1 in the lower left corner.

The original document displayed on the Daily KOS website says OHSM 1.1 in the lower left corner.

The million dollar question is: If the Daily KOS document was supplied by a Obama campaign staffer, as was reported, then how on earth can these two documents differ?

There may be a Hawaiian state agency or department with the initials 'OHBM', but I'm not aware of any.

The agency that you request a copy of a birth certificate from is the 'Office of Health Status Monitoring', OHSM.

The genie is out of the bottle now and it's impossible to "take back" the images. They are immortalized all over the web on different sites. Anyone can see this hard proof of skullduggery for themselves.

Why is the certificate # blacked out?

African is not a race! In 1961, wouldn't Negro or Negroid have been used to describe his Father's race instead of African?

Where is the indentation of the official seal and the folded marks, the rest of us have on our valid birth certificate copies?

Last but not least: What are the reverse purple lettering past the last entry line on the lower middle right? What do they mean, and why are they there?

Did Dan Blather's liar/chief forger, Mary Mapes create this bs?

Is this phoney birth certificate just another example of the Real but Fake Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate for Changing America?

Compare this doctored and phoney BC with a real one shown below:

Hey Obami, man of undocumented place of birth. You can settle this very quickly. Just authorize the officials in Hawaii to send official copies of your birth certificate to Jim Robinson and other conservative sites. Then, they can post the real authorized copies for everyone to see. We will take up a collection to pay for the authorized copy and Fed Ex overnight delivery to Jim Robinson/Free Republic so you will not have to worry about the cost.

Reality break: We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of Obami's birth certificate as seeing John Kerry’s full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth place. The lying spinning MSM will continue to cover for Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas.

"Forge a document? Lie? Of course we/I can. I am a trained Democratic party lawyer."

[2CAVTrooper]

“OK, I don’t get how being born in Kenya would make Obama ineligible any more than McCain being born in Panama would. They were both born to American parents, at least one, and would be citizens.”

Wrong.

Senator McCain was born to 2 U.S. citizens in a U.S. Navy Hospital, on a U.S. military base.

State Department:
“Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock: A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). One of the parents MUST have resided in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth. No specific period of time for such prior residence is required.”

A person’s record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of his or her citizenship.

[hoosiermama]

IIRC it's because of the Hague Ruling (1930)

It's explained in detail in one of Berg's petitions to the court.

IIMP: Joint Citizenship can only be held if both countries agree. At the time BO was adopted in Indonesia that country didn't allow joint citizenship. Therefore when he was registered at the school and listed as Indonesian and muslin his US citizenship was “renounced”

[doug from upland]

Both of McCain’s parents were American citizens. Obama’s dad was Kenyan. As, apparently, Barack is.

[PhilDragoo]

[pray4liberty]

Lord, fight the spiritual battle that is going on right now regarding this case and bring the truth, whatever it may be, into the open. AMEN!!!

And I stand with you on faith and agreement. In the Name of Jesus, AMEN!

[duckln]

You can take the boy out of madrassa, but you can't take madrassa out of the boy.

[duckln]

You can take the boy out of madrassa, but you can't take madrassa out of the boy.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

Regarding all the points you made above, I have a question. I was under the impression that his mother was a citizen of the US and that would make him a citizen of the US. Do you have anything to refute that?

Yes, I have been behind on this issue.

[solfour]

No. It was not good enough at the time of Obama’s birth, or even now, for one of your parents to be American, unless that parent has resided in the US for at least five years after the age of 14 by the time of birth.

I think the reasoning was probably something like this: If a person has an American parent and a foreign parent (Kenyan), then they are born with divided allegiance. This is especially troublesome in the case where the balance of evidence suggests that the child is going to be raised more as a foreigner than as an American. This is most likely to happen in the case of an older foreign man marrying a very young American woman with the child born in the foreigner’s country. Leaving out the sex of the parent, they made the law what it was and is.

Obama’s case is an unusual one, because he spent his early years in America and only met his foreign father once in his life. So, in a sense he got snagged on a technicality. But in a deeper sense, it was right he got snagged. He does have more than divided allegiance. He was later adopted by a foreign father (Lolo Soetoro), and became an Islamic citizen of Indonesia, a citizenship he was using as late as age 19 to travel to Pakistan. His mother was straightforwardly anti-American. He currently has plans to milk America to support illegal aliens, black racists, and poor persons of his own race living abroad. Obama himself is a black racist IMHO. Like his mother, he is anti-American.

Also, Berg claims that when his mother became Indonesian and he was adopted by Lolo, Obama lost his American citizenship, which he could have reclaimed before he was 19 (I think), but he almost certainly did not bother to do so. Again, Obama may have been snagged on a technicality, but that’s life! And good riddance to this supporating pustule on the face of humanity if it brings him down.