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Why OBAMA will lose PA (Pflouffe gives away faulty turnout assumptions)
Fox News | 10/24/08 | Thane Banquo

Posted on 10/24/2008 7:56:05 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo

Earlier this evening FoxNews ran a piece quoting David Pflouffe (read "poof") saying that the Obama camp couldn't figure out why McCain was campaigning in PA. Pfloufe said that in order for McCain to win PA, he would have to win 20% of Democrats, 95% of Republicans, and 60% of Independents.

So I calculated, based on 2004 PA turnout of 41% Democrats, 39% Republicans, and 20% Independents, what kind of edge that would give McCain.

If McCain managed to pull off such a feat, he would win 57%-43%, a 14 pt margin! If McCain wins PA by 14 pts, he'd probably win every other state but Illinois!

So then I decided to find out the DEM-GOP spread necessary to come up with Pflouffe's scenario. In other words, I wanted to see what kind of DEM turnout Pfloufe was expecting in order to have McCain just barely edge out Obama by winning 20% of D's, 95% of R's, and 60% of I's

In order for McCain to actually need that kind of result, Pfloufe must be expecting Dem turnout to be roughly 20 pts higher than GOP turnout in Pennsylvania!

If they actually think that's going to happen on election day, the Obama camp is going to be very disappointed.

The point? Now we see who is feeding these faulty Dem turnout assumptions to the major pollsters


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: mccain; obama; pa2008; pflouffe
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To: goldstategop; All

Don’t forget, folks; during the Primary Season, on the Eve of the New Hampshire Primary and on the Eve of the PA Primary, the polls showed Obama defeating Hillary. Hillary won both states handily.


121 posted on 10/24/2008 9:15:01 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: yenn68
Pa is a Union state and he is down by 10 points in Pa so better rethink fox news facts

Your right. What were we thinking. Solidarity forever. Lots of those union guys will forget how much longer it took them to get a job because of affirmative action.

122 posted on 10/24/2008 9:15:03 PM PDT by Stentor (Obama is Bill Ayers' Renfield.)
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To: Norman Bates
Come on. You don’t actually believe McCain is 6 down in VA? M-D a few days ago had it at 2 and yesterday I saw a local poll showing it a 1 point race. This is all before or at the very beginning of McCain’s ad surge which is really happening now.

You could be right. CNN-Time (same time frame as MD) has Obama +10, so it's really hard to get a good sense of where Virginia is given the volatility. However, no poll since September has given McCain a lead.

123 posted on 10/24/2008 9:16:23 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Norman Bates
I think McCain has been holding back on TV and radio ad spending because he doesn't want to run out of funds just before the election. So I figure he'll blanket battleground states with a final wave of commercials before Election Day.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

124 posted on 10/24/2008 9:16:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Texas?


125 posted on 10/24/2008 9:17:44 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Alter Kaker
They never would. The MSM/Drivebys are completely in the tank for Obama. You think they're going to start being fair now? Hahahahaha

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

126 posted on 10/24/2008 9:18:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: no dems
Wouldn’t it be great if he pulled out a win in Michigan also. What are the chances? Anybody?

Of winning Michigan? Null. McCain pulled out his ads and his ground game, but Obama left his intact.

Moreover last five polls in Michigan. Obama +22, Obama +16, Obama +14, Obama +16, Obama +18.

Michigan isn't winnable absent a game changer.

127 posted on 10/24/2008 9:18:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

I think we are likely 1-3 down in VA right now but closing in. CNN and some other goon(s) had it at a 10-13 point race. Ridiculous.

“However, no poll since September has given McCain a lead.”

As long as at least one poll in November gives McCain a lead it will be good enough!


128 posted on 10/24/2008 9:19:13 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: truthfreedom
Not a battleground state. Its solid Red. If it ever went for Obama, the election would truly be OVER!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

129 posted on 10/24/2008 9:19:13 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Norman Bates
Yep and if the election were held today you’d probably be right. But it isn’t. We’ll see the gap close in the final week.

I'm not arguing with you. The polls reflect the state of the election today. The playing field can shift quickly.

130 posted on 10/24/2008 9:20:03 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: goldstategop

It’s already started actually. I also know that the McCain camp believes elections and this one in particular given Obama’s poor closing record in the primaries are won or lost in the final 72 hours so they are planning a big final push.


131 posted on 10/24/2008 9:21:15 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Alter Kaker
Detroit. That's why McCain gave up on MI rather early. He can spend his money in states that are more winnable.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

132 posted on 10/24/2008 9:21:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
They never would. The MSM/Drivebys are completely in the tank for Obama. You think they're going to start being fair now? Hahahahaha

Huh? The MSM/Drivebys were in the tank for Kerry, and the polling in '04 was very different.

133 posted on 10/24/2008 9:22:23 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: goldstategop

He has held back but from here on out he will have enough capital reserves to have a fully funded full throated campaign.


134 posted on 10/24/2008 9:22:33 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: goldstategop

I was saying that McCain might win a major city in Texas, or if he does pick up a major city, you might find that city in Texas.


135 posted on 10/24/2008 9:22:39 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: goldstategop

YEah. I see McCain making a solid sweep in most of the south including NC and hopefully VA. NH should go McCain. I still think NJ could be a outside fluke.

FL comes in around Central time because of the panhandle unless the LIB MSM try to call it early again but I think McCain bags FL.

If we see PA go McCain then the midwest rustbelt will all go McCain including OH, IN, MO. Hopefully Bush has the FBI and DOJ all over OH. I think OH McCain voters should swamp ACORN.

We may also see WS or MN and maybe both go McCain. MI is a long long shot.

Then we get to NV, CO and NM. I think McCain gets CO and maybe NM but I doubt it. AZ, ID, WY, MT, NE and on.


136 posted on 10/24/2008 9:22:44 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: yenn68

Pennsylvania is certainly winnable for McCain. That’s why you saw Hussein campaigning there again recently. Obama and McCain both in a blue state...... Obama’s internals must tell him he has problems there. Looks like Murtha might also lose.


137 posted on 10/24/2008 9:22:51 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Alter Kaker

“The playing field can shift quickly.”

It will.


138 posted on 10/24/2008 9:23:09 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: no dems
I believe Mac will do well amonsgt Hispanics, and there are a lot of them in California.

FWIW. I live and work in northern California. For a couple of months it seems like about 10% of the cars I see on my commute have 0 bumper stickers. But over the last three days I have seen just one. And I have been looking, because it is weird. That one I saw today and it read "Latinos for Obama."

139 posted on 10/24/2008 9:23:39 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: Alter Kaker
There's encouraging news from FL, OH and NC. VA and CO should not be too far behind. The national polls always lag. And we all need to keep an eye out on the bellweather state, MO. Its gone with the winner in every election except for 1956.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

140 posted on 10/24/2008 9:23:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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