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PUMA pollster: "McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV..."
hillbuzz.wordpress.com ^ | 10/25/08 | VIA VirginiaVirtuacon (via hillbuzz)

Posted on 10/26/2008 12:24:07 AM PDT by RonDog

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To: RonDog
Go PUMAs!


101 posted on 10/26/2008 6:10:31 AM PDT by McGruff (Support your local House Republicans. They are our last line of defense.)
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To: paul544

You’ll try to find it...something similar, something...something...

How about earning some credibility first. Then, you will have a better chance at convincing people of untruths.


102 posted on 10/26/2008 6:18:15 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (A liberal can never stand up like a man and admit his true beliefs.)
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To: Carolina Engineer
"...This redneck girl isn’t that hot. You can do better. :)..."

Yes, much better, but this is a family friendly site, remember.

103 posted on 10/26/2008 6:21:37 AM PDT by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: LS
Can you explain the difference between "internal polls" and the mainstream polls we see that are published every day. What are the different criteria that they use that makes them, supposedly, more reliable?

Also, I have a question on the "Bradley effect". Since so many of the published polls have Obama at an unbelievable advantage (I am specifically talking about the double digit polls) wouldn't even a "normal" Obama win of 1-3% seem to bolster the Bradley effect argument? In other words, regardless of the outcome of this election, many Dems are repeating the double digit win, so when it comes out less than that (as every election in history has) they will continue to say "It must have been the Bradley effect", instead of admitting that their polls are crap.

104 posted on 10/26/2008 6:24:32 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: RonDog

she said the results of their polling lead her to believe that McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV.


I don’t see VA in there, but if it is, then McCain is the 44th president of the US.


105 posted on 10/26/2008 6:33:42 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Carolina Engineer

She’s not that bad either. In fact, I think she’s a fine specimen. A mighty fine specimen.


106 posted on 10/26/2008 6:40:12 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: Safrguns

Hahahahahaha...hell..it could even be his own...straight from the tingle up his leg!


107 posted on 10/26/2008 6:42:37 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: RonDog
From the comments on that post at Hillbuzz: "Remember, kiddies, keep lying to the pollsters and don’t forget to claim you voted for NObama at those exit polls!"

This why I pay no attention to the polls. I really think the PUMAS are having some effect with this tactic.

108 posted on 10/26/2008 6:43:05 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly ("The gloves are off, the heels are on."- Sarah Palin)
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To: codercpc
Sure. The main thing with polling is to get the best sample group of likely voters. Our arguments here all along have been that Zogby, Rasmussen, and most others have been waaaaayyy oversampling Dems because they just "think" the country is "more Democratic." We can't rely on 2006, because off-year elections are notoriously skewed. So you have to look at the voter makeup in 2004, which is roughly even (differs by state, but nationally it was about 39/39).

So, if you go through every major poll, you can predict within one point how much they will be off by how much they oversample Dems. If you want a 10-point lead in MN, sample 10% more Dems, even if the 2004 breakdown was only, say, 2%.

The internal polls generally can't afford that crap---they have to be right NOW, not on election day, because their strategy is based on what they see NOW.

That said, it's entirely POSSIBLE that the major pollsters are right, that Obama wins an unbelievable blowout, and that our analysis is sadly wrong.

But remember this: just because the pollsters have been close in a couple of elections, don't forget that they were hideously wrong in others. In 1994, NONE of them caught the Republican landslide. In 1996, ALL of them were off in Clinton's direction by as much as 8%---but the fact that none of them were off in Dole's direction suggests there is more to this than just "error," that there is some inherent bias that tends to lead them to certain conclusions. Neither the McCain nor Obama camp can afford those kinds of biases.

109 posted on 10/26/2008 6:44:14 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: edpc

Philly had 275,000 already made votes waiting for Obama in the machines...McCain has to eat those numbers up first before he can consider winning PA.


110 posted on 10/26/2008 6:47:17 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: RonDog; LucyT; dylanj9; freema

We still have a lot of hard work to do.
Keep PRaying.

WE LOVE THOSE PUMAS!!!!!!!!!


111 posted on 10/26/2008 6:52:36 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (WAKE UP AMERICA AND FIGHT WITH McCAIN/PALIN , help save the land we love.)
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To: LS

Does anyone have an idea of how much ad time is available? It has seemed to me that zerO bought up every available slot ahead of time. He probably got a volume discount, too. Just what slots are available for anyone else? It seems to me that on cable/sat TV there is only about 1/3 of the slots actually showing consumer ads. Another 20% seem to be PSAs of one sort or another. I do see the 527 ads, but not nearly as often as the same zerO ad on every channel at the exact same time.

If not for FR, the PUMA sites and the right wing blogs, I would not know McCain was actually running if I wasn’t a political junkie. zerO is relying on overkill and I hope it backfires. It was bad enough when the consumer companies began running the same ad on every channel in the same time slot, so you couldn’t surf away from them. This political saturation is beyond annoying, it is actually physically sickening and Big Brother-ish.


112 posted on 10/26/2008 6:53:37 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: BobbyT
The one was in Reno yesterday. The press peed all over themselves that he drew more than Palin did earlier in the week. Palin was a workday rally and the One was outside in good weather, on the weekend, with music at the University.
113 posted on 10/26/2008 6:55:07 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: AmericaUnited

She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania
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If it is that close, I really think that the PUMA’s will be the difference. Likewise in other states as well. A PUMA’s vote will mean something and I believe that they will act.

I have a sneaking suspicion that McCain will take PA. I would not be surprised if he takes WI and MN too.


114 posted on 10/26/2008 6:55:36 AM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: LS
So that all brings me back to the Bradley effect, or racism that the MSM loves to scream. They will use those two arguments to defend their polls, instead of using the blatantly obvious over polling of dems when their polls are proven to be wrong. So next election we will have the same flawed polling in place. I also, with glee, remember how far off many of the primary polls were wrong, yet nothing was changed from those models.

What does disturb me, however, is that none of the polls have McCain up. I am hopeful that they are wrong, but it does deflate my spirits. I can not believe that any polling company would consciously print polls for partisan reasons. We are either going to have an Obama landslide, or a very close race, but it can't be both.

Therefore I, for one, am praying that the Bradley effect is real!

115 posted on 10/26/2008 6:56:42 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Islander7

You really should stop posting such fantastic pictures...the northern liberals might discover what beauty lies in the South and pollute the waters.


116 posted on 10/26/2008 6:57:37 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Ditter; Safrguns
I think the saying is “not worth a bucket of warm spit” but warm piss would work. The best piss reference is “ he is so dumb he couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the heel”.

No, that's the PC bowdlerized version. You've been misled by some of the historical revisionism which has dominated our so-called educational system for so long.

The original quote by John Nance Garner, Vice-President under FDR, was indeed that the office of Vice-President was “not worth a bucket of warm piss”.

117 posted on 10/26/2008 6:58:04 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: DoughtyOne
The legend in his own mind Jerry Rivers took on Hannity last night about Ayers, Wright etc. He said none of that matters and that Hannity needs some new lines. I tend to agree with him about Hannity but as they say in advertising just when you get tired of it it is working.
118 posted on 10/26/2008 6:59:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: bruinbirdman
This is why Rove said McCain/Palin will blitz the media in the last 72 hours with their best stuff and they have plenty.

I didn't catch that. When did he say that?

119 posted on 10/26/2008 7:00:04 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (A vote for Hussein is insane!)
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To: reasonisfaith
"I was having dinner..."
"... friend of mine who is a statistician for a well-regarded private polling company."
"They do some work..."
"...she said the results..."
"...her companies conclusion..."

You're right. I wish I could have credibility like this. With such solid, unimpeachable credentials like I, She, and They, how could I possibly doubt a story posted by someone called Virginia Virtuacon.

120 posted on 10/26/2008 7:00:48 AM PDT by paul544 (3D-Joy OH Boy!!!)
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