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Auschwitz architectural plans uncovered
Jerusalem Post ^ | 11/9/2008 | Staff

Posted on 11/09/2008 9:00:24 AM PST by mojito

The German newspaper Bild published never-before-seen architectural plans of the Auschwitz extermination camp on Saturday that reveal, in their unequivocally marked sections, that everyone involved in the operation of Auschwitz knew full well that it was intended for the systematic extermination of human beings, the paper said.

The floor plans, cross-sections and maps on yellowing paper, mostly on a scale of 1:100, were reportedly found during the evacuation of an abandoned Berlin apartment. They were drawn up between 1941 and 1943.

The 28 documents include detailed blueprints of prisoner barracks, gas chambers marked clearly Gaskammer (Gas chamber) in a Gothic-inspired font and a cross-section of the gate into which the rails of trains entered carrying Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled persons and other people the National Socialists sent to die.

One of the maps carries the handwritten signature of Gestapo commander Heinrich Himmler.

The plans were not construction plans but were drawn after Auschwitz-Birkenau was built (on the foundations of an old military base from the Austro-Hungarian Empire).

On January 20, 1942, Nazi officials met in the resort of Wannsee east of Berlin where they devised the Final Solution, and this has traditionally been taken by historians as the beginning of the Nazis' extermination campaign.

One of the drawings, predating the Wannsee Conference by eight months, sheds new light on the chronology of the German genocide machine.

Dr. Hans-Dieter Kreikamp, chief director of the Bundesarchivs, the federal archives in Berlin, said the find was of "extraordinary importance."

"The plans are authentic certificates of a systematically planned genocide of European Jews," Bild quoted Kreikamp as saying.

As the plans show a "Laundry and shower room" leading into a "Dressing room" and then to the "Gas chamber," there could be no doubt of the purpose of the large room marked Gaskammer.

The documents rebut the last of those who would deny the Holocaust, Bild said in its report.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel
KEYWORDS: auschwitz; finalsolution; godsgravesglyphs; hitler; naziism; ww2
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Unspeakable.
1 posted on 11/09/2008 9:00:24 AM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

Just another warning, if you will, about authoritarianism, totalitarianism, communism, and absolute power.


2 posted on 11/09/2008 9:03:27 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: mojito

BFL.


3 posted on 11/09/2008 9:05:50 AM PST by LucyT
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To: mojito
As the plans show a "Laundry and shower room" leading into a "Dressing room" and then to the "Gas chamber," there could be no doubt of the purpose of the large room marked Gaskammer.

The documents rebut the last of those who would deny the Holocaust, Bild said in its report.

Actually, a liberal of the era would have seen Gaskammer and automatically decided it meant de-lousing room.

4 posted on 11/09/2008 9:07:27 AM PST by fso301
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To: mojito

“The 28 documents include detailed blueprints of prisoner barracks, gas chambers marked clearly Gaskammer (Gas chamber) in a Gothic-inspired font”

wasn’t *all* printed german in similar fonts up until fairly recently, as in the last few decades?


5 posted on 11/09/2008 9:07:46 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: mojito
The documents rebut the last of those who would deny the Holocaust, Bild said in its report.

No, they don't. Nothing will.

Well, maybe a time machine....

6 posted on 11/09/2008 9:09:58 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: mojito
Really?

I had heard that everyone in Germnay was on vacation from 1933 thru 1945.

7 posted on 11/09/2008 9:10:22 AM PST by Nitro (Nitro does it with a BANG!!)
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To: mojito

“Hmmm, this should come in handy...”

-Obama, upon reading this story.


8 posted on 11/09/2008 9:10:51 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: EagleUSA
The ideological forebearer of modern Socialism, came from National Socialism - the same brand as believed and practiced by the NAZIS. The LEFT slaughtered some 120 million real human beings last century without batting an eye.

The LEFT often tries to distance itself from its ideological roots or just outright lies and denies its philosophical heritage in SOCIALISM.


9 posted on 11/09/2008 9:11:38 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: mojito

The Obama plans for a Christian and Jewish Holocaust may be written on some piece of paper right now...

No, that’s not hyperbole or an exaggeration. Just look at the evil of Obama and know that evil is the only thing that can come from such a person...


10 posted on 11/09/2008 9:13:35 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: mojito

Small historical correction. Heinrich Himmler was Reichsfuehrer SS, Chief of the German Police, Minister of the Interior [eventually], and had a bunch of other jobs. The actual COMMANDER of the Gestapo [two levels down from Himmler] was SS Obergruppenfuehrer Heinrich Mueller.


11 posted on 11/09/2008 9:15:12 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: pyx

The LEFT often tries to distance itself from its ideological roots or just outright lies and denies its philosophical heritage in SOCIALISM.
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Without a doubt — we heard PLENTY of that during the Presidential campaign, did we not??


12 posted on 11/09/2008 9:15:50 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: mojito

I have visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, and can tell you.....I will NEVER forget it. The smell stays with me, as well. I believe
it is a requirement by the Polish Government that every school-aged child visit. Should be recommended for children worldwide. jmo.


13 posted on 11/09/2008 9:21:41 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: pyx

.....and before that, the idea was based on Darwinism.


14 posted on 11/09/2008 9:23:18 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: EagleUSA
Without a doubt — we heard PLENTY of that during the Presidential campaign, did we not?

Yes, we heard a lots of lies by the LEFT and a lots of denial by Hussein Obama about how he would implement his SOCIALIST agenda.

That is why all us SUBJECTS should address it by its preferred title;

King Hussein Obama the Benign, Spreader of Wealth and Healer of Planets.

15 posted on 11/09/2008 9:26:07 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I know its difficult, but try to stay on topic.


16 posted on 11/09/2008 9:27:48 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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17 posted on 11/09/2008 9:28:05 AM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: Star Traveler
Just look at the evil of Obama and know that evil is the only thing that can come from such a person...

Fortunately we so vastly outnumber any who would accept it in such numbers that Hitler himself would call it crazy.

In my family alone I'm outnumbered 10 to 1 by Obama voters but they would not stand idly by as I and millions of others were rounded up and sent for "reeducation" or extermination.
18 posted on 11/09/2008 9:28:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: VanDeKoik
“Hmmm, this should come in handy...”

-Obama, upon reading this story.

Exactly. Something tells me the reason they dug this up was a request from the Obama transition team.

19 posted on 11/09/2008 9:32:20 AM PST by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: cripplecreek

Hitler took a while to get to that point, but he started on the evil pathway right from the beginning. And likewise with Obama. His pathway has already been marked at evil from the beginning and he is going to consolidate his power and continue his evil march...


20 posted on 11/09/2008 9:38:37 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: mojito

The Obama Transition Team has shown great interest in these plans.(sarc.)


21 posted on 11/09/2008 9:42:35 AM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: mojito

A few years ago, I read that the same company that designed and built the crematoriums, was given a contract to design a continues, belted oven. Corpses are laied down, and five hundred feet later, the ash pile drops into a grinding bin, then into a dump truck.

I think they did the plans up.

The Nazi's were getting ready to work up the scale to do the Russians, Slavs, and so forth and need vastly more efficient death factories.

22 posted on 11/09/2008 9:52:09 AM PST by Leisler (Obama is going to give us all Unicorns!)
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To: pyx

*rasberry* ;)


23 posted on 11/09/2008 9:53:40 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: mojito

I am very perplex, and I am not kidding.

Knowing about extermination of the Jews, why did Obama get so many Jewish votes?

It boggles my mind!!!

So many folks in Europe at that time risked their lives to protect Jewish children.

One of our Canal Zone Rabbis and another little boy were rescued by a Roman Catholic priest. Those two little kids passed themselves off as good Roman Catholics.

In the end, the Catholic priest was fingered and went to the gas chambers.

I honestly do not understand this.

Do Jews have a death wish?

A lot of Christians gave their lives and went to the gas chambers trying to save them.


24 posted on 11/09/2008 9:56:48 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: pyx

Nazism and Fascism are ideologies of the Left. One reason why their struggles with Communism were so bitter is that the contest was in the nature of a family quarrel, which is always the bitterest dispute..


25 posted on 11/09/2008 10:07:11 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
It is perplexing that Jews continue to vote socialist. It remains perplexing why so many Catholics continue to do the same. They have had the history of the rise of Fidel Castro from do gooder revolutionary to a killer dictator and still have not learned a darn thing about communists and liberals in general. In addition, many Catholics manage to overlook their church prohibition of abortions. Obama is for the most extreme abortion practices and this year the Catholic church spoke out against pro abortion political candidates more loudly than I have ever heard. A huge number of Catholics and other Christians still voted for socialist, pro abortion, Obama. Go figure.
26 posted on 11/09/2008 10:12:09 AM PST by mountainfolk ( God bless President George Bush)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
"I have visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, and can tell you.....I will NEVER forget it. The smell stays with me, as well. I believe it is a requirement by the Polish Government that every school-aged child visit. Should be recommended for children worldwide. jmo."

Fully agree with that. I felt the same way after seeing Dachau (outside of Munich). It was veiled in the silent snow, but the air; the atmosphere is forever heavily tinged with the memories of the atrocities there. It is a tangibly sad place, and must always be kept open for Tours so that the people will never forget......

27 posted on 11/09/2008 10:16:51 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Knowing about extermination of the Jews, why did Obama get so many Jewish votes?

Because too many Jews still think that Hitler was some kind of right-wing Christian fundamentalist.

28 posted on 11/09/2008 10:20:02 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: mountainfolk

Totally depressing.


29 posted on 11/09/2008 10:21:32 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: mojito
Seeing all the people going crazy on FNC just a few moments ago in anticipation of Zero's inauguration and the breathless joy (really, no exaggeration) the reporter read the report sends shivers down my spine. Talk about a personality cult !

Eerily reminded me of the old newsreels of Adolf himself. Be afraid, if after super disappointing actual performance, the adulation goes on.

Nam Vet

30 posted on 11/09/2008 10:23:03 AM PST by Nam Vet (Obama is the radical left's ' moist dream ' for America.)
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To: mountainfolk

The number one nightmare of Obama supporting jews is American “Nationalism”.


31 posted on 11/09/2008 10:23:15 AM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: mojito
The documents rebut the last of those who would deny the Holocaust, Bild said in its report.

The people who deny the holocaust don't do so on the basis of proof or evidence, they do it on the basis of antisemitism...and that's not going to be changed by the discovery of plans indicating a gas chamber.

32 posted on 11/09/2008 10:42:38 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Agreed. I visited Dachau during a high school trip. It was mind numbing to contemplate how the ovens were used.
33 posted on 11/09/2008 10:48:55 AM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: WoofDog123
wasnt *all* printed german in similar fonts up until fairly recently, as in the last few decades?

No. The Gothic style font became a lot less common after WWII. The Gothic style font was much more common in printed documents before the 20th century, while the use of a Latin font became more common throughout the 20th century. So blueprints from the Nazi period could have used a Gothic or a Latin font.

These blueprints should be reproduced and widely published because as time goes by more and more wicked people will try to convince the world that the Holocaust never happened. It is interesting that some kooks who have all sorts of weird conspiracy theories about everything are the same people who try to claim that the well-documented crimes of the Nazi period never happened!

34 posted on 11/09/2008 11:14:20 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Star Traveler
Wow. Obama is planning to slaughter millions of people, start racial wars, etc. Heck, I'll bet he even favors dogs mating with cats!!!

Disagreements on political philosophy does not automatically mean the other side is evil. I did not vote for Obama nor can I imagine a scenario in which I would. I do not like him nor agree with him on many issues and his fundamental political underpinnings disturb me.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM EVIL. It's amazing how people immediately equate him with Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. because he is a Democrat. Perhaps he is evil - perhaps you are too. But lets base judgments on facts and not an overheated imagination.

I am very disappointed that he will likely be elected in December and sworn in in January. I fear he will make poor decisions and appoint people with whom I do not agree.

I AM PROUD THAT AMERICA ELECTED HIM. That is one of the fundamental things that makes America the greatest country in the galaxy. The transition will be peaceful and straightforward. How many countries in the world can have an open an free election that changes the political landscape so much? Maybe 15 out of 200? The Republic will survive. Remember in 2000 all the talk about the permanent demise of the Democratic party?

(Please spare us the conspiracy theories - if you have the facts then present them, but referring to rumors and gossip and unsubstantiated Internet musings is not factual and actually more than a bit disturbing.)

So, take a deep breath and LIGHTEN UP FRANCES.

35 posted on 11/09/2008 11:30:30 AM PST by starlifter
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To: Star Traveler
Your right, the first ones that they will go after are the use full idiots ( just like what the ex-KGB man said in a video here on FR ) then they will go after the Jews and Christians ( they will make some find of domestic terrorist laws, ban the Bible as " Hate Speech " and hate crime laws to protect the Muslims ).

Give me liberty or give me death !!
36 posted on 11/09/2008 11:51:35 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: starlifter
" BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM EVIL. It's amazing how people immediately equate him with Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. because he is a Democrat. Perhaps he is evil - perhaps you are too. But lets base judgments on facts and not an overheated imagination. "

SO ? I guess people who try to over trow the government by trying to blow up the Pentagon, a police station in New York for communistic evil purposes is not evil ? ( Bill Ayers ) ... and People like Farrakhan ( who has associates who want to " KILL WHITE PEOPLE " and " the final solution for whites " i.e. same as what happen to the jews during WWII is not evil ?
This is not ( in your own words " overheated imaginations. ".

Tell me ? what is not evil of Farrakhan's associates saying that they want to exterminate the white people ? tell me ? I want to know why that is not evil ?
Tell me ? what is not evil of Bill Ayers blowing up a police station, and trying to blow up the Pentagon in a effort to over trow the US government for evil communist purposes ?
37 posted on 11/09/2008 12:05:32 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: starlifter

You said — “Disagreements on political philosophy does not automatically mean the other side is evil. I did not vote for Obama nor can I imagine a scenario in which I would. I do not like him nor agree with him on many issues and his fundamental political underpinnings disturb me.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM EVIL.”

He’s evil because of his deeds and his choices and his partnerships (with some of the people who have helped and backed him)

I can mention Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers and that should be evil enough. Obama ridicules those who hold to the Bible (and also “guns”). That’s evil enough, too. He speaks for abortion (along with a lot of others, too) and that’s a very evil practice that he condones and promotes, making him another promoter of evil (in that practice).

As a Marxist (i.e., taking on the philosophy of Marxism), that totally anti-God philosophy, and thus evil.

You’ll notice that I didn’t mention being a Democrat...


38 posted on 11/09/2008 12:07:37 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
You are absolutely Wright.

But I thought the topic was Obama...you've changed it to Ayers and Farrakhan. Let's try to stay on topic.

Need we also list the conservative [sic] people who want to kill whole groups of people?

Without something objective and not emotional, it's hard to equate Obama and Farrakhan (which I think was the point of your post, but it's hard to be sure.)

Ayers should be in prison. But I cannot understand why the Reagan, Bush, and Bush administrations did not try him. Clearly, they are part of the vast conspiracy.

BTW, spell check is your friend.

39 posted on 11/09/2008 12:15:53 PM PST by starlifter
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To: WoofDog123
Nein, mindestens nicht in formellem Deutsch. Gotisches Schriftbild ist viel mehr richtig.:o)
40 posted on 11/09/2008 1:31:04 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: WoofDog123
Since the late 18th century, Fraktur began to be replaced by antiqua as a symbol of the classicist age and emerging cosmopolitanism. The debate surrounding this move is known as the Antiqua-Fraktur dispute.

However, the shift mostly affected scientific writing, while most belletristic literature and newspapers continued to be printed in broken fonts. This radically changed when on January 3, 1941 Martin Bormann issued a circular letter to all public offices which declared Fraktur (and its corollary, the Sütterlin-based handwriting) to be Judenlettern (Jewish letters) and prohibited further use. It has been speculated that the régime had realized that Fraktur would inhibit communication in the territories occupied during World War II.

Fraktur saw a short resurgence after the War, but quickly disappeared in a Germany keen on modernising its appearance.

When I learned German in HS in the early 60's we had to learn to read Fraktur, as well as modern script because of the fact that so many books were still around which were printed in Fraktur.
41 posted on 11/09/2008 3:50:19 PM PST by syriacus (OBAMA'S CHOICE ----> leave a newborn's fate in the hands of 2 people who wanted to kill her.)
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To: mojito
The original article in bild.de has some more images..
42 posted on 11/09/2008 3:54:22 PM PST by syriacus (OBAMA'S CHOICE ----> leave a newborn's fate in the hands of 2 people who wanted to kill her.)
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To: fso301
Actually, a liberal of the era would have seen Gaskammer and automatically decided it meant de-lousing room.

Depends on the size. If you have a 10x10 ft room with wooden racks all along the walls, then yes, it's a delousing room. But to exterminate so many human beings in a few short years, you'll need something bigger. Not to mention the problem of manipulating the corpses after that (cannot really touch them if they are oozing cyanide gas...) -- all of that requires a lot of infrastructure, and I don't think it would be mistaken if it was on blueprints.

That said, there is a distinct possibility that the blueprints are fake. Just like venomous spiders, the Nazi regime continues to exert a sort of fascination, including among Jews. There is a very active market for fake Nazi paraphernalia. And we all remember the latest Hitler diaries which turned out to be gross forgeries.

A Jewish friend who works in publishing once told me that a Nazi story with a swastika on the cover will always outsell a similar story without these references. Pretty sad.

43 posted on 11/09/2008 4:16:25 PM PST by FrogBurger (Always compare news articles from different sources. When they fully agree, you can be sure it's BS.)
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To: Star Traveler

Without getting too involved in the conversation since it’s not the thread topic, you’re absolutely right that Obama is not evil, despite having associations I’d put in that category, though I’d probably use different terminology. Equating Obama to Hitler or suggesting he advocates genocide is not only factually indefensible, it completely negates the many legitimate reasons to oppose the man. To the extent those things are associated with conservatives, the ability of conservatives to persuade is diminished.


44 posted on 11/09/2008 5:01:45 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: FrogBurger
That said, there is a distinct possibility that the blueprints are fake. Just like venomous spiders, the Nazi regime continues to exert a sort of fascination, including among Jews. There is a very active market for fake Nazi paraphernalia. And we all remember the latest Hitler diaries which turned out to be gross forgeries.

You need a heck of a lot more than that to accuse Jews of forging these plans. To my knowledger, Konrad Kujau wasn't Jewish.

45 posted on 11/09/2008 5:07:25 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: mojito

I’ll bet that sent a tingle up Zero’s leg...


46 posted on 11/09/2008 5:57:48 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: mojito; LucyT; All
...rails of trains entered carrying Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled persons, and other people the National Socialists sent to die.

This writer is wrong to lump all these Nazi victim groups together, as if their fates were all the same. Auschwitz was predominantly used for the mass murder of Jews. The Nazis didn't have a genocide program against any other group. Statistics clearly show that in the Nazi cancentration camp system as a whole, non-Jewish prisoners had a much higher surivaival rate than Jewish prisoners, because they were not subject to anywhere near the same degree of deprivation.

47 posted on 11/09/2008 6:02:26 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Aliska
This aerial view shows the...This aerial view shows the layout of the largest concentration camp and death camp run by Nazi Germany during World War II at Auschwitz near the Polish town of Oswiecim, Poland, Aug. 25, 1944. Auschwitz is the main camp and Birkenau is the nearby extermination center.
48 posted on 11/09/2008 6:21:50 PM PST by Brown Deer
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To: justiceseeker93

What you post is, of course, absolutely true — but that is beside the point.

The point is to (mis)state that “homosexuals” were just as much a victim group as Jews and gypsies, when nothing could be further from the truth.

The primary victims of the Holocaust were Jews, gypsies and communists, with many other disparate groups (political opponents, Soviet army prisoners, et al) suffering as well.

But, the modern politically correct historiography simply cannot resist casting the oh so precious subculture of homosexuals into the role of “victims” so homosexuals can share in the victim cache.

It’s repulsive and disgusting, of course, but it has become so ingrained as to be ubiquitous.


49 posted on 11/09/2008 6:31:55 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Skooz
The point is to (mis)state that “homosexuals” were just as much a victim group as Jews and gypsies, when nothing could be further from the truth.

The Holocaust Museum in Washington has a display that shows the various insignia that were required to be worn by different groups in the concentration camps. There was a special one for homosexuals. As you can see in this chart, they were required to wear a pink triangle. Evidently enough of them were rounded up to make this separate category necessary.


50 posted on 11/09/2008 6:43:07 PM PST by wideminded
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