imho . . . and on the other hand with different fingers . . .
1. I don't believe Believers LEADERS particularly are routinely called, per se, primarily to be political lackys in a flesh driven system of buying and selling influence . . . . lobbying . . .
2. Christians and particularly Christian leaders ARE CALLED to state forthrightly THE TRUTHS OF THE GOSPEL . . . GOD'S STANDARDS AND GOD'S PRIORITIES--TO FORCEFULLY [AND LOVINGLY] DELCARE THEM. Sometimes LOVINGLY = STERNLY--WITH CONSEQUENCES.
3. Paul did not hesitate to declare what should be done with various folks who'd crossed various morality lines. We have his declarations, judgments and sentencing in Holy Scripture.
4. What RC Bishop has publicly on CNN consigned what politician to satan for the destruction of the politician's flesh that his soul might be saved? What are they waiting for--150 or 500 million murdered infants? Is THAT the trip-line for decisive courageous Christian declarations from the bureaucratic hierarchy? Or maybe the RC edifice is waiting for the beautiful cathedrals to be buried in baby skulls in garbage bags before their Bishops scrounge some cajones?
5. What's the criteria for stern spiritual declarative action?
6. Playing WIMPY VERBAL FOOTSIE with demonized globalist traitorous legislators is not my idea of PREACHING, MODELING, DECLARING THE GOSPEL to any significant degree. What RESULT do you REALLY, TRULY, ACTUALLY EXPECT from such verbal mutual masturbation exchanges?
7. REDUCED to being lobbyists? LEFT ONLY WITH being lobbists?
10. HE HAS SET THE STANDARD!
WE ARE TO DECLARE IT!
WE ARE TO MODEL IT!
WE ARE TO INSIST ON IT!
[particularly in fitting ways and contexts--
WHICH AS PAUL MODELED--INCLUDES FIERCELY]
WE ARE TO CHALLENGE A HELL-BOUND WORLD
TO RISE TO AND ADHERE TO CHRIST'S STANDARD!
On occasion, we are to even administer judgment and discipline!
WE ARE CERTAINLY
TO DECLARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF REBELLION AGAINST GOD!
WE ARE CERTAINLY TO DECLARE THE FIRES OF HELL
AWAIT THOSE IN REBELLION, DEFIANCE AGAINST GOD!
And we are wise to make such declarations vivid, indeed!
WE ARE WISE TO MAKE THEM AS FORCEFUL AS POSSIBLE!
Not only for the legislators and their souls . . .
BUT FOR THE WATCHING ONLOOKERS
And the lukewarm "Christian" wimps on the sidelines
in the hopes that THEY WILL TAKE HEED AND ALSO AVOID
the fires of hell they keep dancing toward
and pretending it's a fun date-night at the latest cute horror movie.
11. GOD HAVE MERCY! This is not a friendly debating society. This is the END TIMES AND A WORLD IS HEADED TOWARD HELL!
12. This is not Sunday Tea for the political Billdo's, lobbyists and their hangers-on to get the message at--that endless word tosses can go on until hell freezes over.
13. What ARE the Bishops waiting for? Ambrose to rise from the dead and show them how? Their order for brass spheres has been delayed by a FedEx pilot's strike? What?
14. Oh, right. The BUREAUCRACY is issuing the orders instead of Holy Spirit. Should have thought of that earlier. My error.
15. Wellll, dear Bishops, poke this in your cap: YOU'D BEST STAND FORTHRIGHTLY AND FORCEFULLY DECLARATIVELY ON THE SIDE OF GOD, RIGHTEOUSNESS, LIFE AND ETERNAL LIFE ON THESE ISSUES AND THAT POST HASTE--ELSE YOU WILL BE ON THE SAME INCREASINGLY STEEP SLIPPERY SLOPE TO HELL THE SECULAR POLITICIANS ARE ON. I suspect you have less than 3 months to stand up and be counted. If you have not excommunicated an infanticizing politician by then, then you'd likely best check to see if God has not excommunicated you from HIS Book of Life.
16. Get your act together group. The pace is picking up.
17. For those who think I'm being overly whatever . . . If my sense in my spirit is any clue, I'm hardly starting to warm-up . . . yet. BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
infantiCIDing politician . . .
They are likely infanticizing from the moment they decide to be politicians.
I will be praying and I invite all authentic Christians to join, if led, in praying in agreement . . .
that
All RC Bishops who fail to excommunicate all the 'ostensibly RC' politicos within their turf from the RC Church
. . . that God will remove them . . . from their positions. Actually, I'll pray that, if possible, God will change them into fierce proponents of HIS PRIORITIES in such matters. That where that's not possible because of their willful death grips on compromising wimpiness--that GOD WILL REMOVE THEM within a reasonable-to-HIM time.
Further, that GOD WILL REPLACE SUCH BISHOPS with fiery Holy Spirit-filled Bishops so needed in this dark hour.
Further, that any Bishops who WILL rise to the occasion; judge such political horrific sins and discipline accordingly--I will pray that such Bishops be increasingly Spirit-led and that their ministry and flocks multiply accordingly.
Further, that if Pope B is wimpy in this matter, that The Lord will force him into a retreat where God turns him every which way but loose until he agrees to comply with God's priorities vs man's.
So let it be said. So let it be done. Amen.
The more we sense Christ's return, the stronger the separation, the impossibility of not choosing. And though we may grieve for those who chose poorly, we must realize that the separation is also God's will:
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. - Revelation 22:10-13
To God be the glory!
Agree. But lobbying is a necessary evil in our system of government, isn't it? What happens to stands that have no lobbyist support?
2. Christians and particularly Christian leaders ARE CALLED to state forthrightly THE TRUTHS OF THE GOSPEL . . . GOD'S STANDARDS AND GOD'S PRIORITIES--TO FORCEFULLY [AND LOVINGLY] DELCARE THEM. Sometimes LOVINGLY = STERNLY--WITH CONSEQUENCES.
True, that was never the issue - the issue is whether they do it to 'be correct, who cares about their salvation' or to 'save souls'. I think we can say the later is the motive of people like Paul.
4. What RC Bishop has publicly on CNN consigned what politician to satan for the destruction of the politician's flesh that his soul might be saved? What are they waiting for--150 or 500 million murdered infants? Is THAT the trip-line for decisive courageous Christian declarations from the bureaucratic hierarchy? Or maybe the RC edifice is waiting for the beautiful cathedrals to be buried in baby skulls in garbage bags before their Bishops scrounge some cajones? <.i>
No one is arguing that the bishops in America have been doing their best job on this subject. We can look to other countries and see bishops take their jobs more seriously. However, we have a different culture now. You just cannot ORDER people to do "x", after years and years of disobedience from the BISHOPS THEMSELVES here in the US! Perhaps if the bishops here would not have been largely in dissent on a number of matters in regards to Rome, is it surprising that the bishops here are not taken very seriously? This is the culture we live in now - "I'll do what I want". Largely a Protestant culture pervades our society. Obedience to self. At any rate, it is going to take a lot of time, prayers and effort to change this culture here - if it is possible. I am not sure that mass expulsions of numerous nominal Catholics is the answer, nor do I see a precedent for that in Scriptures.
5. What's the criteria for stern spiritual declarative action?
I think Matthew 18:15-17 is the general idea. Keeping in mind that Christian leaders are not to "lord it" over those they lead. It is a difficult situation and am glad it is not upon me.
6. Playing WIMPY VERBAL FOOTSIE with demonized globalist traitorous legislators is not my idea of PREACHING, MODELING, DECLARING THE GOSPEL to any significant degree. What RESULT do you REALLY, TRULY, ACTUALLY EXPECT from such verbal mutual masturbation exchanges?
I don't think I have much more to add to this rant. But I think it calls for a more measurable response, given the reality of the culture the bishops now face (part of which THEY have reaped...).
Have trust in the Holy Spirit, Quix. We must do the best we personally can do to spread the Gospel, including the teachings on life, to those who contemplate such issues or are swayed by the liberal media.
Regards Regards
Agree. But lobbying is a necessary evil in our system of government, isn't it? What happens to stands that have no lobbyist support?
2. Christians and particularly Christian leaders ARE CALLED to state forthrightly THE TRUTHS OF THE GOSPEL . . . GOD'S STANDARDS AND GOD'S PRIORITIES--TO FORCEFULLY [AND LOVINGLY] DELCARE THEM. Sometimes LOVINGLY = STERNLY--WITH CONSEQUENCES.
True, that was never the issue - the issue is whether they do it to 'be correct, who cares about their salvation' or to 'save souls'. I think we can say the later is the motive of people like Paul.
4. What RC Bishop has publicly on CNN consigned what politician to satan for the destruction of the politician's flesh that his soul might be saved? What are they waiting for--150 or 500 million murdered infants? Is THAT the trip-line for decisive courageous Christian declarations from the bureaucratic hierarchy? Or maybe the RC edifice is waiting for the beautiful cathedrals to be buried in baby skulls in garbage bags before their Bishops scrounge some cajones? <.i>
No one is arguing that the bishops in America have been doing their best job on this subject. We can look to other countries and see bishops take their jobs more seriously. However, we have a different culture now. You just cannot ORDER people to do "x", after years and years of disobedience from the BISHOPS THEMSELVES here in the US! Perhaps if the bishops here would not have been largely in dissent on a number of matters in regards to Rome, is it surprising that the bishops here are not taken very seriously? This is the culture we live in now - "I'll do what I want". Largely a Protestant culture pervades our society. Obedience to self. At any rate, it is going to take a lot of time, prayers and effort to change this culture here - if it is possible. I am not sure that mass expulsions of numerous nominal Catholics is the answer, nor do I see a precedent for that in Scriptures.
5. What's the criteria for stern spiritual declarative action?
I think Matthew 18:15-17 is the general idea. Keeping in mind that Christian leaders are not to "lord it" over those they lead. It is a difficult situation and am glad it is not upon me.
6. Playing WIMPY VERBAL FOOTSIE with demonized globalist traitorous legislators is not my idea of PREACHING, MODELING, DECLARING THE GOSPEL to any significant degree. What RESULT do you REALLY, TRULY, ACTUALLY EXPECT from such verbal mutual masturbation exchanges?
I don't think I have much more to add to this rant. But I think it calls for a more measurable response, given the reality of the culture the bishops now face (part of which THEY have reaped...).
Have trust in the Holy Spirit, Quix. We must do the best we personally can do to spread the Gospel, including the teachings on life, to those who contemplate such issues or are swayed by the liberal media. Pray that our leaders can do the same - and if necessary for the sake of their souls, excommunicate the more scandalous ones.
I wonder if you would have been calling for Martin Luther's head in 1520, as well...!
Regards