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Jim Jones' followers enthralled by his skills as a speaker
CNN.com ^ | 11/13/2008 | CNN

Posted on 11/13/2008 10:56:48 AM PST by autumnraine

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I have the hardest time remembering to look for pings after I post comments on FR! But, I remembered today!

Thanks for helping me figure out why everyone thinks he's a great speaker! :-)

121 posted on 11/13/2008 5:14:21 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (Obama has a bracelet, too!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth; wideawake
Exactly. This is one of the reasons that you are never shown the full films of his speeches with translation. They like the cuts where he’s vehement and agitated and, of course, his anti-semetic rants but, in general, media controllers do not like his messages about the threat of international communism, social decay, cultural ideals, nationalism or other infectious ideas to spread.

No one with such a poisonous hatred of HaShem and the Holy Torah could possibly be a real enemy of "social decay."

122 posted on 11/13/2008 5:37:59 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vatabbet 'ishto me'acharayv; vatehi netziv melach.)
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To: Morgana
I don’t watch Hannity but this lady sounds close to what you said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz78T_kvqUU

There are two extremes to this but remember Obama pulled in 10% more conservative then in most elections.
That means he must of sounded conservative to some.

Which some pulls shown that his tax plan did help him. Because it sounded as though was going to cut taxes more for the middle class then McCain.

123 posted on 11/13/2008 5:42:14 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Zionist Conspirator
78% of the Jewish people must not have found him to be against their beliefs.

the media still has a lot of power in this country and they used it to the best ability yet.

124 posted on 11/13/2008 5:46:01 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: autumnraine
On YouTube

Jim Jones of Jonestown, Barack Obama of Chicago

and

Obama Kool Aid the Movie Part 1 of 5

125 posted on 11/13/2008 6:20:50 PM PST by syriacus (OBAMA'S CHOICE ----> leave a newborn's fate in the hands of 2 people who wanted to kill her.)
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To: Alia

Surprisingly, yes, it did cover the fact that he had the support of Democrats for his socialistic utopian ideals. I was hooked enough to watch the rest of the special, anyway, LOLOLOL!


126 posted on 11/13/2008 6:23:59 PM PST by alwaysconservative (First, they took away our freedom of speech. . .)
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To: syriacus

Jim Jones sounds like Barack Obama, for sure

Jones —

1. used “social activism and radicalized rhetoric” to whip his followers into a fervor

2. was a Marxist Messiah who made people think that everything would be fine if they would follow his lead

3. promised change and equality.

4. intimidated the media when they were critical of him

5. was charismatic

6. had a Temple as his stage

7. gave speeches in which he talked about the injustices of the US, especially with regards to Blacks and how US government was coming to get them, to destroy them.

8. did not like to have disparity between the rich and the poor

9. had the support of Leftist leaders

10. had a seat on San Francisco’s housing commission

11. had a supportive relationship with radicals like Angela Davis; Russell Means of the American Indian Movement received a donation,

12. Jones and his temple had connections with members of the Symbionese Liberation Army (which had kidnapped Patty Hearst)

13. promised to bring CHANGE to the world.


127 posted on 11/13/2008 6:28:17 PM PST by syriacus (OBAMA'S CHOICE ----> leave a newborn's fate in the hands of 2 people who wanted to kill her.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn; WorkingClassFilth; wideawake; SJackson
78% of the Jewish people must not have found him to be against their beliefs.

the media still has a lot of power in this country and they used it to the best ability yet.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say to me. Are you saying that 78% of the Jewish People voted for Adolf Hitler (mach shemo!)? Because I was trying to disabuse workingclassfilth of the idea that Hitler was opposed to "social decay." I was not referring to Obama.

The true "inner secret" of anti-Semitism, for all its alleged "conservatism," is a rejection of G-d. One anti-Semitic teaching is that morality itself is an artificial, decadent, unnatural concept that should give way to "nature red in tooth and claw." As hard as it may be to believe, Hitler was opposed to Communism for the same reason he was opposed to chr*stianity--he considered it a system of morality (which it is--a non-Theistically based system of morality), and he was opposed to morality. In fact, the goal of Nazism was the creation of a "new man" free of morality and conscience (Hitler said the Ten Commandments were a mutilation of the mind just as circumcision was a mutilation of the body).

It is too bad that so many conservatives allow themselves to be seduced by national socialist rhetoric because they do not understand that national socialism is opposed to morality, and opposes Communism only because it regards Communism as a form of morality.

Another one of the "inner doctrines" of anti-Semitism, also based on the meaninglessness, or self-existence, of nature is henotheism. Classical henotheism accepts all the pagan "gxds" and believes that each nation has its own "gxd"/"gxds" which are valid for it. In its more sophisticated form henotheism rejects the idea of any universal religious Truth or moral code and insists that each nation has its own peculiar "truth," which it illustrates by creating its own unique mythology and "gxds." The whole hue and cry about a "Jewish world conspiracy" is nothing more than a henotheistic rejection of the One True G-d and His Messianic Kingdom at the end of history. In fact, ironically, anti-Semites recognize that the existence of Israel as a distinct Nation is what holds the human race together as a single unit. Thus they oppose Jewish nationalism while supporting nationalism for everyone else. They know that (G-d forbid!) were `Am Yisra'el to disappear the nations of the earth would wander off from the One G-d and create subjective national totems and myths. Anti-Semites are fond of pointing out Jewish "hypocrisy" for insisting that they are the Chosen People while opposing metaphysical nationalism among other nations. But this is simply what happens when G-d creates a single human race and chooses one Nation out of it for a metaphysical mission.

I hope this clears up any confusion in my original post. If not . . . I don't know what more I can say.

128 posted on 11/13/2008 6:35:19 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vatabbet 'ishto me'acharayv; vatehi netziv melach.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Agreed, but Hitler really went after the open degeneracy that had fallen on Berlin and German cities in the wake of WWI. The secularism of Europe, then, besets us now. He wasn’t moral in an absolute Judeo-Christian sense, but he was very much a reformer - and a scourge.


129 posted on 11/13/2008 7:01:38 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Agreed, but Hitler really went after the open degeneracy that had fallen on Berlin and German cities in the wake of WWI.

The Commies also go after degeneracy once they have achieved power. They're only long-haired gay freaks when they're tearing a society down. Afterward it's all law and order.

130 posted on 11/13/2008 7:06:32 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vatabbet 'ishto me'acharayv; vatehi netziv melach.)
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To: alwaysconservative
It was a horrid time. Folks all over the area were trying to kidnap their own loved ones out of the cult, get them into "deprogramming". But alas, they, trying to save the lives of their loved ones were prevented by lawyers from doing so, and of course, the cult member core staff were not letting people leave the cult, either. "By Any Means Necessary". It was the first time I heard the phrase, repeatedly. Later, a group using this phrase as a group name in Oakland, fought and were violent against numerous black families supporting Prop 174's School Vouchers.

And the group BAMN have groups, like lots of little ACORNS, all over the nation, just ready to fight "by any means necessary" any and all who stand ready to defend American principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

In re the show revealing the Dem support of Jimmie Jones? Good. Some might awaken; but the dead still sleep.

131 posted on 11/13/2008 7:09:47 PM PST by Alia
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To: Zionist Conspirator
It is odd, that. When people who lived under those regimes tell of them, nobody listens - especially those who would be trampled beneath the boots. Go figure.
132 posted on 11/13/2008 7:12:42 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: wagglebee; Impy; Norman Bates; ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; ...

Is it just me, or does this also bring your mind to the current political situation in the United States?


133 posted on 11/13/2008 7:56:17 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

It’s not just you.....


134 posted on 11/13/2008 8:05:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
”Because I was trying to disabuse workingclassfilth of the idea that Hitler was opposed to "social decay." I was not referring to Obama.”

I miss understood then, I am sorry.

Thank you

135 posted on 11/13/2008 8:26:02 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Alia

I remember a similiar experience in Chicago. Back in the early 1970’s, my friend had an apartment in the New Town area. We were invited to come down and witness a new event called the Gay Pride parade. Like you say, it was a real circus. We were young and stood with our mouths open in amazement watching (as you say, in wonder, disgust and amusement) the “sexually liberated” parade down the street doing things out in the open that we had never seen before. The event has grown every year. Now it is shown on television and the politicians all participate in the event. They have toned it down a bit since the early days, but the fact that is has become “mainstream” says volumes about where we have gone as a culture.


136 posted on 11/13/2008 8:46:50 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: Argus
"Chilling stuff backstage."

Okay, I gotta know. Like what?

137 posted on 11/13/2008 9:08:15 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: Carley
"Am I the only one who shudders at the sound of O’s voice."

Nope. Me too, and I always have. It's "Discernment of Spirits," one of the spiritual gifts listed in the Bible.

138 posted on 11/13/2008 9:32:21 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: Fu-fu2
You know, I don't seem to recall ever having read of Chicago having a gay pride event. How awful for you. Press does a pretty good job of just focusing on the SF Gay Pride, each year. Wanna hear something less wierd?

Many years ago, gay acquaintances of mine moved out of SF. About a year later, they were buying a home in their new location. And they were getting a mortgage deal which was freakin' unbelievable from gay realtors. No down, lowest interest rate, nowhere else could come close to matching. There were strings attached, tho. They had to go to SF each year and march in the big gay pride parade, plus do local activist stuff for 3 years. That was the deal.

Over the next 5, I began snooping around. Turns out, this kinda of "real estate" (etc) transaction was going on for lots of gay people. Then, I began to understand a lot more about the fine rich, antiquish or modern lifestyles of the gay and well connected but getting "preferences" under various laws and regulations.

It wasn't that they were superior horse traders, made zillions, or were snappier designers.

My burning question came years later: "Who really wanted Straight Martha Stewart Threatened and Punished and under what ruse?".

Maybe one day I'll get to learn more about that.

139 posted on 11/14/2008 2:23:35 AM PST by Alia
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Chilling stuff.

I don’t mean like human remains or whatever, but boxes of letterhead for things like the “Guyana Development Corporation” and other money-laundering fronts for Jonestown, lots of donated children’s clothing and toys in boxes waiting to be to be sent there, boxes full of records made by Jim Jones and the People’s Temple Gospel Choir, etc. Banners and portraits of Jones and other personality cult items of that kind. Jones was also a power player in SF Democratic Party politics, and there was lots of get out the vote material on hand.

And the place itself gave off a hugely creepy vibe.


140 posted on 11/14/2008 11:34:14 AM PST by Argus (Stuff Compassionate and Maverick - just try plain old CONSERVATISM again)
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