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Viewpoint: Is Barack Obama black? (Black or White or Mixed 'Race')
BBC News ^ | Kimberly McClain DaCosta

Posted on 11/18/2008 7:10:04 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu

Is Obama black? It depends on who - and when - you ask.

For some of us, the heralding of Barack Obama as the first black president of the United States seems a rather uncontroversial claim.

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The bulk of the people protesting against references to Obama as a black man, however, grant that he is "part" black (by way of his father), but assert that because he also has a white mother it is not "accurate" to call him black.

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For us, being black and mixed-race are not mutually exclusive. We have learned to live with the contradictions.

Perhaps it's time for everyone else to learn to live with them too.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: barackhusseinobama; barackobama; barackobamam; bho2008; biracial; black; interracial; obama; obamatransitionfile; race; racerelations; white
I really didn't want to keep on posting on Obama/racial issues; that's the reason why I stopped looking at this site for a while, but this was a question that repeatedly popped up when I DID read here often: 'Why is Obama considered 'black', but not 'white'?'

Now, I'm not sure whether the people posting those questions actually look at a guy who is half white and half black and see a 'white' man - so whether or not they are posing that question because they don't know the answer/actually believe that a sizable amount of Americans would see a 'white' man in Obama, or something, but I'll just point out this:

I strongly doubt that white racists are overjoyed that America has kept the unbroken line of white leadership with the election of the forty-fourth white President. Yet on the other hand, I strongly expect black racists to be ecstatic that 'Brother Barack' has broken the chain of white rule and is set to become the first black President.

And I bet you that a super-majority (over 60%) of 'interracial' people who are part white do not consider themselves to be white, without disowning their white ancestors, in large part because society did not consider them white to begin with.

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And who'd have thought that a government-owned news source that permits its articles to be bookmarked on Delicious would have to be excerpted.....

1 posted on 11/18/2008 7:10:05 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
All together now. He's niether—he's Red!
2 posted on 11/18/2008 7:11:41 PM PST by Carl LaFong (I'm Sarah Palin)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

He is Halfrican American


3 posted on 11/18/2008 7:12:10 PM PST by misterrob (Smooth talkers win at singles bars and in politics .. often with similar outcomes for the listener)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I don’t give a blank if he’s Negro, caucausian, Arabic, some mixture. We’re supposed to be passed all this racial nonsense.

I oppose him because he’s way too liberal for my taste. I don’t think we should agonize over his race background. Let’s agonize and strategize how to counteract where he wants to take this country.


4 posted on 11/18/2008 7:12:22 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Red


5 posted on 11/18/2008 7:13:39 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Is Barack Obama black?

Close enough for government work.

6 posted on 11/18/2008 7:14:30 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Proud2BeRight

Red, Green and Yellow


7 posted on 11/18/2008 7:14:58 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

He was when guilty white America voted for him, but probably not enough to put the manufactured struggle to rest.


8 posted on 11/18/2008 7:15:44 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I don’t know, and don’t care.
I’d rather know that my CIC is actually, you know, _qualified_ to be my CIC.


9 posted on 11/18/2008 7:15:50 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Black and white and RED all over!

In terms of race, he is what the Brazilians would call a "pardo."

I always loved how the "one drop rule" never applies to Latinos. Most Puerto Ricans and Dominicans have black ancestors, but are not considered black (like the Halfrican Obama).

10 posted on 11/18/2008 7:16:00 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

12% black, 38% Arab, 50% White does not a black man make, IMO.


11 posted on 11/18/2008 7:18:01 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

He looks more like Opie than Oprah


12 posted on 11/18/2008 7:18:21 PM PST by hometoroost (Obama our first Halfrican-American president)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Doesn’t matter what color or gender, as long as we see eye to eye on most things. Too bad that’ll never happen with me and Obama.


13 posted on 11/18/2008 7:19:09 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

what does the US census say he is? Mixed race


14 posted on 11/18/2008 7:20:17 PM PST by scooby321
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To: All
Here's a photo from the article, and here's a little... exercise:

Immediately after looking at the picture, and before some of you go superficially 'Aww, how sweet', take note of the emotions and feelings the scene evokes in you; could be quite enlightening.





Ready, set, go:


15 posted on 11/18/2008 7:20:50 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( I've started to use 'I' again.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Why is Obama considered ‘black’, but not ‘white’?

He probably would be called white if his skin was white.

Not all mixed race people turn out black or a shade of brown.

I think he should be called warbl. (white arab black) blarawhit?


16 posted on 11/18/2008 7:23:37 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: misterrob

as it comes from his own purple lips, he is a MUTT.


17 posted on 11/18/2008 7:24:16 PM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
A fictitious back-stage rockumentary of Barry's campaign is coming out, written by Spin Master Anonymous, entitled “Primarily Colored”.
18 posted on 11/18/2008 7:25:18 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

After January if painting crew goes to work painting the place gray we will know what he considers himself.

To me he’s a mulatto which wouldn’t have been tollerated when I was growing up.


19 posted on 11/18/2008 7:30:45 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I couldn’t give a crap less about his ‘color’. What I do care about is his political philosophy, and it’s distinctly RED.


20 posted on 11/18/2008 7:37:08 PM PST by WVRockDJ (Mountaineer by choice; USMC by choice; Christian by Grace.)
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To: misterrob

And the other half is European-American. How come no one is excited about that? (Sarcasm off)


21 posted on 11/18/2008 7:40:04 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I guess he would be a sun burnt zebra; black, white and red all over (with apologies to George Jefferson for copping his zebra line)
22 posted on 11/18/2008 7:51:30 PM PST by tophat9000 ( Note: To Obama's Thugocracys... We are all " joe the plumber "...)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

In most of Latin America he would be classified as a Mulatto (half white, half black),if his father had been Amerindian he would be classified as a mestizo, except in Argentina which created the classification that if you were half white you are classified as white, in effect eliminating the mulatto and mestizo classifications. The reason for that was to attract European immigration to the country (it worked).


23 posted on 11/18/2008 7:52:23 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Photobucket
24 posted on 11/18/2008 7:53:02 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

He said he was a mutt and I believe him. In any event, these are the kinds of issues that take the focus off hand about acorn, election fraud, campaign contribution fraud, amnesty of illegal aliens for starters and how the msm shoud be feeling the pinch of the fairness doctrine since i should work both ways (not one) and how they refused to report on critical issues and for those who are looking into the birth certificate thing or even more issues that I did not list here. Race is just a sideline to divert attention way from the more important issues. The quicker people look at this man as a regular President and take race out of the equation, the quicker he comes off of the pedestal.


25 posted on 11/18/2008 7:53:55 PM PST by volslover
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

He appears to be red and black.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho_syndicalism


26 posted on 11/18/2008 8:01:09 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I don’t give a damn what race he is, it is how ‘red’ he is that disturbs me.


27 posted on 11/18/2008 8:01:31 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I don't get it. My first thought was: "Okay...what? It's a guy with a kid on his shoulders on the beach." And then I thought, "That kid looks like my brother did when he was a kid." (My brother, adopted, is native Hawaiian)And then I thought, "Maybe I ought to drop a post to JMP and find out he means..."
28 posted on 11/18/2008 8:02:34 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Bill Clinton was proclaimed the first black President.


29 posted on 11/18/2008 8:02:42 PM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

He’s a radical socialist. Nothing else matters.


30 posted on 11/18/2008 8:07:45 PM PST by sourcery (Nothing should ever be considered true beyond reasonable doubt until the MSM officially denies it.)
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To: Paperdoll

Oh, for Pete’s sake...not this sh*t again.

He is NOT 38% Arab.

Look at his dad. that dude was BLACK. As black as any black man I’ve ever seen. No way he was anything but a black man.

Sure he might have had some Arab in there somewhere, but Arabic was by no means a majority of Barack Senior’s ancestry.


31 posted on 11/18/2008 8:11:20 PM PST by RockinRight (Now it's my turn to have a psychotic, uncontrollable hatred for the President.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

What’s the picture? Is that baby Obama or something?


32 posted on 11/18/2008 8:12:40 PM PST by gotribe (obama just sucks - your wealth away)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I have no problem with Obama being black. Its the part that he’s an Arab that I have problem with. And I’ll explain why in just a few numbers: 911.


33 posted on 11/18/2008 8:12:45 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

According to official Democrat Party 19th century rules, if you have 1/8 Negro blood, you are considered a Negro. The question is, was Barry’s father a Negro?


34 posted on 11/18/2008 8:18:41 PM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

The drop of blood rule. Anybody with any black is considered black in the US.


35 posted on 11/18/2008 8:25:33 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

calico


36 posted on 11/18/2008 8:43:44 PM PST by theymakemesick (Buraq - The winged creature that carried mohammed on his Night Journey from Mecca to Jerusalem)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

The fact that the Obama worship focuses on his skin color, only proves that dems and libs are racist. It’s the person inside that is important. If he were not a marxist, I would’t give a hoot if he was green. I would welcome a conserative president of any background! That being said first...should we average white people be offended that The One totally ignores his white American relatives(other than when he throws them under the bus)?


37 posted on 11/18/2008 9:32:18 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("Those guys are jerks!" Saracuda)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Amen.

The only thing so far that I like about Obumanation and his Janet Reno-ish looking wife is those darling two lil girls.

It would suck to have parents like O and M.

Good Karma the girls grow up and choose to become Catholic Conseratives.


38 posted on 11/19/2008 12:36:23 AM PST by Global2010 (God Will see us through. Blessings.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
And I bet you that a super-majority (over 60%) of 'interracial' people who are part white do not consider themselves to be white, without disowning their white ancestors, in large part because society did not consider them white to begin with.

Interesting speculation. I tend to think otherwise. But... I'm interracial, yet I consider myself "white". But it took me a while to reach that conclusion. My dad is white (German-American), and my mom is Japanese. I have 4 siblings, and we all look different. Me and 2 sisters have white features, and 2 sisters have asian features. When I was young I had blond hair and hazel-green eyes, another sister has blue eyes. But my dad (career military man) wasn't at home all the time, and in the 1950's we were looked after by my mom and her Japanese-only-speaking parents, so we picked up a lot of Japanese culture. When young, I considered myself asian.

But as an adult, others considered me white, and were shocked to discover I was half-Japanese. When I got a job in government, I got a call from the HR chief complaining that I filled out my paperwork incorrectly. In the 1970's under "Race" there were only a few choices, and you were limited to checking only one box. I checked "Asian". The man ended up arguing with me that I was white (he welcomed me aboard the 1st day of employment). We argued for over half an hour. I told him I was half white, but I was also half asian. And my Japanese mother raised me, I spoke Japanese and knew the culture, so who was he to tell me which half I could choose? He finally gave in to my choice.

As I got older I soon learned that it isn't your race that determines what you are. It's your culture. And immersed in a culture of predominantly white-type Americans, I was for all intents and purposes predominantly "white". Society did not consider me asian to begin with. I wish society could move beyond tagging people with racial labels, and just use moral tags (nice/good/bad/evil etc.). I think a person's morals are more important than their skin color.

39 posted on 11/19/2008 12:50:30 AM PST by roadcat
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To: scooby321

He will not release his US Census.


40 posted on 11/19/2008 8:01:19 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

What’s Black & White and Red all over?


41 posted on 11/19/2008 8:44:32 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Mutt.


42 posted on 11/19/2008 9:18:44 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I’ve wondered the same thing when I hear members of the black community say things that try to wipe out his white side as if he didn’t have one. Why do they think he has to deny the white side and totally embrace his black side? It’s because those in the black community that ask this of him are racists. We will never get past racial issues as long as they have that view point. IMO


43 posted on 11/19/2008 9:19:30 AM PST by beachn4fun (Congress gone wild!)
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To: Paperdoll
"12% black, 38% Arab, 50% White does not a black man make, IMO.

I can understand the 50% percent white from his mother, but how were those other percentages calculated?

44 posted on 11/19/2008 10:05:47 AM PST by Mila
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To: gotribe
"What’s the picture? Is that baby Obama or something?"

That's Obama and his grandfather Dunham, his Mom's dad.

45 posted on 11/19/2008 10:08:07 AM PST by Mila
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To: RockinRight

I didn’t post this thread. O looks nothing like the Kenyan- absolutely NOTHING. He does strongly resemble MalcolmX, who may well have been in the Seattle area when O’s mother was. His history is so convoluted, who can say with any certainty WHAT this guy is>?


46 posted on 11/19/2008 12:54:25 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge.)
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