Posted on 11/18/2008 7:25:45 PM PST by dascallie
I'm willing to grant you that. I have a life that is full and busy so I don't wish to invest nearly that much time in every topic. I am good at what I do and don't pretend to be an expert on every topic. I do listen to Rush, Mark Levin, and Lars Larson, figuring it's their job to know what I don't have time to know. Lars has said he just doesn't see this going anywhere. If you have evidence to the contrary, put it forth. Bring it to Levin, Lars, or Rush's attention.
Both Barack and Maya had “Certification of Live Birth” registrations as opposed to actual birth certificates.
Hawaii ceased offering such registrations in 1972.
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You know, pissant, if there was a way to block one member from any contact, from seeing any of my posts, I would block you. But what the heck, someone has to be that person, don’t you?
Ann's mother was a bank officer. She was well aware of the benefits associated with such a birth certificate. What she got was the next best thing, a Certificate of Live Birth. That was easy to get. Just show up and claim the baby was born in Hawaii and give the date.
I should have added: Obama’s sister was born in Indonesia. Ann got the sister a Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, even though she wasn’t born there.
So whatever the reason she got one for Barry was probably the reason she got one for the sister.
They never said Obama was born in Hawaii. They just said that he had one on file. Hawaii is/was a state that would accept foreign births and still issue certificates.
Maybe you should read more threads and post less.
18 suits in 13 states and in front of Justice Thomas.
So when you say it isn’t going anywhere, I have to disagree, I think that the Supreme Court is somewhere.
Now will the case get heard? Will we get what we want?
I have no idea but the question of why won’t he bring out a birth certificate should be on everyone’s mind and his refusal is indefensible.
That's your question. Mine is: "What evidence is there that the State of Hawaii has said that Obama was born there?"
I've seen the statements from the Hawaii officials, and NOWHERE do they make such an assertion.
If you have evidence to the contrary, you may be the only person who has seen it.
Please post your evidence!
Well, if all the people who bitched and moaned about this issue “wasting time” would have instead ignored the threads (like most normal people do regarding topics that they construe as a waste of time), and instead spent that posting time doing something productive, we’d probably have the cure for hemorrhoids by now.
Don't be ridiculous.
The only way this issue gets resolved is for Obama to be FORCED by a court to disgorge the information.
Janet Porter at World Net Daily has made a clarion call-
1 last chance to fight for our Constitution
Posted: November 18, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81307
Her previous post on the matter has the bloody link not working just now SO I’LL JUST GO AHEAD AND POST HERE- link goes over to the Thomas Woods book of same title on their shopping arm! I’ll email them and go ahead here- sorry I didn’t save url on 11th- just the below article-sorry if u’ve already had thread / posts on this / her article(s):
The Constitution still matters
Posted: November 11, 2008 Janet Porter
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008
“Therefore do not fear them, ‘For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.’”
–Matthew 10:26
Hold on. Just a minute. Not only was there no landslide and no mandate, there was no election. The Electoral College doesn’t even vote until Dec. 15. And there’s one thing that may stand in their way from affirming last Tuesday’s popular vote: the Constitution.
For the electors to uphold the Constitution that they’re sworn to do with their upcoming vote, they must first know for sure that the candidates meet the basic constitutional requirements for the office of president. He must be a natural-born citizen, at least 35 years old, and have at least 14 years of residency in these United States. That’s not a lot to ask. Pretty basic, really.
And pretty easy. Either you are a natural born citizen or you aren’t. Just deliver the original birth certificate and everyone can be on their way. That’s just what Phillip J. Berg has asked the United States Supreme Court to do. And the Supreme Court has asked for a response from Barack Obama along with the Democratic National Committee and Federal Elections Commission. And they have until Dec. 1 to respond.
Surely a guy couldn’t get this far without meeting the basic requirements, could he? Turns out … he could. Especially if the political party whose job it is to verify that their candidate is qualified has a conflict of interest – they want their guy to win.
That’s why there’s a clamor to see if those basic requirements are actually met.
Not extreme. Not fringe. Just constitutional. Obama says he’s qualified? Phil Berg, multiple legal suits and growing number of Americans say: “Prove it.”
Why is there any doubt?
Exhibit A: The Grandmother’s tape
I was in the delivery room in [Mombosa,] Kenya, when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.
– Obama’s paternal grandmother
This is the link where Obama’s grandmother says Barack Obama is a native Kenyan.
Here’s the phone call where Obama’s grandmother says Obama was born in Kenya.
While politicians are known for it, grandmothers seldom lie.
Exhibit B: No birth certificate
Experts have called the Certificate of Live Birth posted online a forgery. Phil Berg reported on my Faith2Action radio program yesterday, “It’s clearly been altered,” which invalidates it, according to the document itself. Berg added that there is no indication even on this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place. And it turns out that Hawaiian law at the time allowed people to register for this non-hospital short form certificate (without a doctor’s signature) up to one year from the date of the child’s birth.
Exhibit C: The matter of Indonesian citizenship
Only Indonesian citizens could attend Indonesian schools at the time Barack Obama attended school in Indonesia where was registered as Barry Soetoro. His citizenship was listed as Indonesian and his religion as Islam. There was also no dual citizenship at the time.
If he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, he would have forfeited any U.S. citizenship he may have had, just as when a child is adopted in America, he or she becomes an American.
Exhibit D: Travel to Pakistan
U.S. citizens were prohibited from traveling to Pakistan in 1981 when Barack Obama made his visit – likely with a passport other than a U.S. passport.
Exhibit E: Immigration back to the U.S.
According to Phillip Berg on my radio program yesterday, if Barack Obama went through immigration as he re-entered the United States, he would have become “naturalized,” which also would not qualify him to become President. If he did not, said Berg, there is a likelihood that he is now an illegal alien – not even eligible to serve in the U.S. Senate. In fact, Berg suggested there has been no evidence that Barack Obama legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro.
In addition, according to U.S. law, from “Dec. 24, 1952, to Nov. 13, 1986,” a U.S. natural-born citizen at the time of Obama’s birth must be:
1. A natural-born citizen;
2. Born to two U.S. citizen parents; OR
3. If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.
Since Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time of his birth, she failed to meet the legal requirements of U.S. residency for at least five years after the age of 16.
Here’s the bottom line: either the Constitution matters or it doesn’t. And if we’re willing to ignore the constitutional requirements for the highest office in the land, what else are we willing to forgo? That part about free speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom of religion? If we are willing to shred one part of the Constitution, brace yourself to lose the rest.
Matthew 10:26 said it best: “Therefore do not fear them, ‘There is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.’” The question is whether it will come in time to avert a Constitutional crisis.
If you are a Democrat or Republican elector who cares about the Constitution even more than your party, please email me directly at jfolger@wnd.com. You are sworn to uphold the Constitution with your vote next month, and making sure the constitutional requirements are met is vital for you to uphold that oath.
Members of Congress also need to step up to the plate since they are the ones responsible to approve the vote of the Electoral College. They can be reached at: 202-224-3121. Seems to me a defender of the Constitution like Rep. Ron Paul would be a natural plaintiff in the case to verify that constitutional requirements have been met. Other members with courage to stand need to stand now or forever hold their peace.
Our Founding Fathers were right; the Constitution is still worth defending. Rise up and speak up while there is still time. Go Phil Berg’s www.ObamaCrimes.com and join the fight to defend the Constitution. Please forward this to everyone on your e-mail lists.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2134425/posts
Browse that thread. It probably has plenty of answers to your questions.
If nothing else it should make you madder than you are.
Oh! I didn’t mean to run you off. If you want to read in depth some of the research done on Senator Barack Obama’s background, I can give you some links.
See: Links to key Obama posts...
http://globallabor.blogspot.com/
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/
See: anything written by Judah Benjamin
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
Judah Benjamin has done extensive research into Barack Obama’s possession of Indonesian citizenship.
Good luck at looking into all of it. Don’t be surprised that none of it was ever referred to in the MSM. They’ve wanted a black President for a long time, but I suspect never anticipated a bisexual white-arab-black from Kenya!
Linda Lingle, as I understand it, is a McPain Republican.
“the question of why won’t he bring out a birth certificate should be on everyone’s mind and his refusal is indefensible.”
Yes, it should be. The mindless idiots who arent focused on whether the POTUS elect is a natural born citizen or not are probably the same libtards who voted for the empty suit to to begin with. There is nothing patriotic about them.
While I don't intend this as an endorsement of the birth certificate issue, I'm also not sure what the governor of Hawaii being a "Republican" has to do with the price of strawberries. Are you assuming a "Republican" would not lie or cover for the Messiah?
Don't look now, but our precious "Republican" nominee just took a dive in this election like a Don King boxer....
Maybe we should take it easy on him. There's been an overwhelming number of lying MSM article headlines spouting that the state of Hawaii has put this to rest.
“..Obama had stuff on him, that he didnt want made public.”
If that is true then McCain just lost much of the respect I once had for him. If McCain knew that Obama had the goods on him, he should’ve stopped running for POTUS, and given someone else a chance, instead of leaving us with this mess.
If she was not, in fact, married at the time, and he was born overseas, since she hadn't been living in the US for the full 5 years before she was 19 years of age, he would not be an American citizen.
You have much more to prove than where he was born ~ you have to demonstrate she wasn't married.
Interesting that the law treats married minors differently than unmarried minors (21 was the age of majority at the time) when it comes to their children born abroad isn't it.
Most of these girls were Greek, Italian and Irish ~ unmarried ~ sent back to a convent in the old country to have a baby which was then given to the church to put up for adoption, or to be raised in the convent orphanage where many of them would later become "Religious".
Might well be worth testing this in today's Supreme Court ~
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