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Dems vs. Dems in new Congress
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Posted on 11/25/2008 6:44:52 PM PST by Chet 99

Forget the Republican filibuster and the race to 60. The real fight in the next Congress is Democrats vs. themselves.

With nearly complete control of Washington for the first time in three decades, Democrats are entering a treacherous power zone in which many of their priorities could easily be undone by the geographic, demographic and ideological factions that compete for supremacy within the party.

Unless Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) can whip their caucuses into unity, numerous fault lines will be revealed: Southern Democrats vs. Northern liberals on labor law; California greens vs. Rust Belt Democrats on global warming; socialized medicine adherents vs. go-slow health care reformers; anti-war liberals vs. cautious centrists on national security. And don’t forget the anti-bailout crowd vs. the powerful Michigan Democrats in both chambers when it comes to money for Detroit.

Republicans insist they will fight for their issues when they can, but they also might simply take a front-row seat to see if Democrats implode.

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1 posted on 11/25/2008 6:44:52 PM PST by Chet 99
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Republicans insist they will fight for their issues when they can, but they also might simply take a front-row seat to see if Democrats implode.

Sounds like a plan. Pass the popcorn.

2 posted on 11/25/2008 6:45:23 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

Right on. Let’s see what Dems are really for.


3 posted on 11/25/2008 6:47:31 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who

>Right on. Let’s see what Dems are really for.

Killing babies, human cloning, and homosexual marriage. [/sarc]


4 posted on 11/25/2008 6:54:35 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Why [/sarc]? You’re right!


5 posted on 11/25/2008 6:59:34 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Chet 99
I have been expecting this since 5 Nov.

Not to sound like Peggy Noonan-- because I think that Obama is an Affirmative Action Embarrassment and closet Marxist--but I think that the Obama Presidency might not be as bad as many Freepers fear. And this article lays out one possible reason why.

Furthermore, Fate has a way of confounding the conventional wisdom. Did anyone eight years ago forsee 9/11 and the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan? Dubya was not looking for overseas wars-- but he got them. So I can only wonder what surprises will derail the Demo-commie agenda...

6 posted on 11/25/2008 7:03:22 PM PST by Lysandru
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To: Chet 99

It’s awesome when Liberals eat their own.


7 posted on 11/25/2008 7:08:07 PM PST by wastedyears ("Al Gore is an apostle of arrogance." - Vaclav Klaus, Pres. of Czech Republic)
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To: Chet 99

This is a very simplistic view.

The Dems have done a remarkable job keeping their party on the same page for the past 8 years. Even in the minority, they held sway over the political agenda, due to the spineless GOP and President Bush with his “new tone”.

The Dems paid no price for their perfidy and near treason on Iraq in 2006 or 2008, when they made gains with the electorate.

My fear is that their party discipline will far outweigh that of the feckless GOP. It is the GOP that will splinter, not the Dems.

That’s why we need a new Conservative Prty. We have no longer a home in the GOP.


8 posted on 11/25/2008 7:10:15 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: Chet 99

are we only going to see a lot of crap or a heck of a lot of crap?


9 posted on 11/25/2008 7:13:45 PM PST by ari-freedom (No more candidates from 2008!)
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To: exit82
We have no longer a home in the GOP.

Speak for yourself.

10 posted on 11/25/2008 7:16:11 PM PST by what's up
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To: exit82

it’s easy to be united when all you have to do is say “No more Bush!” for 8 years.


11 posted on 11/25/2008 7:16:18 PM PST by ari-freedom (No more candidates from 2008!)
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To: Lysandru
Furthermore, Fate has a way of confounding the conventional wisdom. Did anyone eight years ago forsee 9/11 and the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan? Dubya was not looking for overseas wars-- but he got them. So I can only wonder what surprises will derail the Demo-commie agenda...

LBJ was planning to reshape the United States into a Europe style Socialist state, and the Dems had nearly 2/3rds control of Congress to back him up on it... then he got a little sidetracked in a place called Vietnam. Obama has been apparently aching for a fight with Pakistan...

12 posted on 11/25/2008 7:20:04 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: dr_who

>Why [/sarc]? You’re right!

Because if I didn’t say it with sarcastic bile I’d cry over my poor [deceived] country.


13 posted on 11/25/2008 7:20:09 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: what's up
Speak for yourself.

I always do, my friend.

But let's be honest. The GOP leaders in DC are already blaming McCain's defeat on not following the Obama model.

Do you not see where this is headed?

I guess hope springs eternal.

But we are already being marginalized in the party we put into power.

The GOP would rather listen to the whining of the squishy middle, then stand for anything anymore.

Watch and see if you see any sustained opposition to the Messiah.

14 posted on 11/25/2008 7:26:07 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: Chet 99

I hate to say it, but the same thing happens to whatever party is in power. When you include all the representatives that come from various parts of the country, it inevitably results in the party in power being pulled in different directions.

The Dems will fail, and then the Pubbies will take over, the Pubbies will fail, and then the Dems will take over.. as long as we have the country divided the way it is, this will be the pattern.


15 posted on 11/25/2008 7:29:51 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Chet 99

YES! It never would have happened if McCain won, in that case Reps vs Reps would continue. Watch them try to get republicans on board.

The pre-election hysteria had Pelosi just commanding democrats vote, but dynamics change makes a big difference. No republican to veto and blame.


16 posted on 11/25/2008 7:30:48 PM PST by sickoflibs (McCain asks: "Did you stupid conservatives really believe me? HA-HA-HA")
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To: exit82
I always do, my friend.

No, when you use the pronoun "we" you are presuming to speak for others as well.

17 posted on 11/25/2008 7:33:49 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

We was used in the context of conservatives. I could have made that clearer.


18 posted on 11/25/2008 7:40:45 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: exit82
We was used in the context of conservatives.

I understood your meaning. And thus you were not speaking just for yourself as you attested.

19 posted on 11/25/2008 7:47:55 PM PST by what's up
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To: Chet 99

It’s the 60’s all over again.


20 posted on 11/25/2008 7:49:58 PM PST by DaGman
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To: OneWingedShark

Forget the sarc. I know that you are right on with this!

Questions of ideology and party unity are quickly pushed aside for matters of unnatural order; baby killing has top billing with libs.


21 posted on 11/25/2008 7:58:48 PM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: incredulous joe

>Forget the sarc. I know that you are right on with this!

Then maybe I should craft the ALL NEW [/cynic] tag for such a cynical (even if true) mode of thought.


22 posted on 11/25/2008 8:08:42 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: what's up

I was stating my opinion, thus speaking for nyself.

Besides, it’s the truth.

In my opinion.


23 posted on 11/25/2008 8:23:23 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: Chet 99
One thing has already started and will be abundantly clear to Midwest Democrats in the coming months: West coast and east coast Democrats are much more liberal than Midwest Democrats and they don't give a damn about states like Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana and most of Pennsylvania.

This could develop into a major fault line and become key in upcoming elections. It never did make any sense for union bosses to support environmental lefties hell bent on putting the auto industry out of business.

24 posted on 11/25/2008 8:32:45 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: exit82
Nice parse.

Very Clintonian.

25 posted on 11/25/2008 8:34:26 PM PST by what's up
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To: Chet 99
Obama has been apparently aching for a fight with Pakistan...

If Obama gets involved in Pakistan, he will make the Iraq conflict look like a walk in the park.

26 posted on 11/25/2008 8:35:51 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: Chet 99

It’s like throwing a pork chop into a pen full of starving pit bulls. You don’t have to do anything, they’ll take themselves out. Then the ‘pubbies can stand back watch them eat their own. Of course they should be the ones to provide the pork chop to get things rolling.


27 posted on 11/25/2008 8:37:42 PM PST by factoryrat (Better living through American Industrial Might.)
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To: Chet 99
They will eat each other alive in there!! Merry Christmas Everyone! nancy pelosi Pictures, Images and Photos
28 posted on 11/25/2008 8:41:24 PM PST by Lilpug15 (I'm Moving to Alaska...You can Keep THE CHANGE!)
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To: what's up

You took the bait. You just can’t help yourself.

Stop being a post cop.

This is an opinion board. You know that by now.


29 posted on 11/25/2008 8:46:37 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: exit82

The libs have incredible unity. They can vote to steal all our money if they want. But we are left hoping they fight amongst themselves over the spoils. Great.


30 posted on 11/25/2008 8:50:49 PM PST by Luke21
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To: exit82

I understand your frustration, but forming another party would be an insurmountable task. There is no way of drawing enough people together. We have to fix the party we have.


31 posted on 11/25/2008 8:57:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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To: Luke21

The mettle of the GOP, if it has any left, will be tested shortly.

I don’t know who the fighters will be. Shelby and Sessions. Maybe Cantor. Everyone else will be happy to be invited to the signings, if you catch my drift.

One person who most assuredly won’t be fighting anything is the recent standard bearer.


32 posted on 11/25/2008 8:58:25 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: editor-surveyor

E-S—I hear you.

But fixing the GOP seems equally insurmountable to me.

Yes, the structure exists, but I don’t see a turning to conservatism. McCain and his ilk have killed that goose for good.

The GOP seems happy to be Dem’lite. There’s no will left to fight what the electorate wants.

So, what is the point?

I don’t know if the same thing was said in 1854, when the GOP was formed out of the Whigs. In six years, their nominee was Abe Lincoln.

I just know this GOP is not going to be the vehicle for American loving patriots to help this country survive.

The leadership is not there, except for Palin.

And they are trying to destroy her.


33 posted on 11/25/2008 9:05:42 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: Chet 99

What w need is really a strong Republican Leader in at least on House??


34 posted on 11/25/2008 9:16:26 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: exit82
Bait? LOL. What "bait"?

This is an opinion board

Exactly. And my opinion is that one should speak for oneself...not presume to speak for others.

35 posted on 11/25/2008 9:16:38 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

Fine.

It is my opinion that we conservatives no longer have a home in the GOP.

Please find someone else to bother.


36 posted on 11/25/2008 9:19:51 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: what's up; exit82
[exit82:] I always do, my friend. [Speaks for himself]

[what's up:] No, when you use the pronoun "we" you are presuming to speak for others as well.

He does speak for others. Many others. But two make his words valid, so add my voice to his.

37 posted on 11/25/2008 9:28:18 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: exit82
It is my opinion that we conservatives no longer have a home in the GOP

That is better phrasing.

It is my opinion that many conservatives (I don't presume to speak for all) still have a home in the GOP.

38 posted on 11/25/2008 9:32:37 PM PST by what's up
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To: roamer_1
He does speak for others. Many others.

Yes, but not all.

39 posted on 11/25/2008 9:34:20 PM PST by what's up
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To: factoryrat
Of course they should be the ones to provide the pork

I know its just an analogy, but we don't need Republicans providing pork.

40 posted on 11/25/2008 9:34:45 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: what's up

See post 18.

We just came full circle.

Happy Thanksgiving to you.


41 posted on 11/25/2008 9:36:04 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: what's up

You must drive your spouse nuts. Quit nitpicking!


42 posted on 11/25/2008 9:37:36 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: exit82
Superior way to phrase your post 18

We was used in the context of SOME conservatives

43 posted on 11/25/2008 9:38:28 PM PST by what's up
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To: CharacterCounts
It's not nitpicking to make the very valid point that many conservatives are choosing to remain in the GOP and fight for conservative principles.
44 posted on 11/25/2008 9:41:08 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
Yes, but not all.

Enough.

When the Republicans are losing membership, old membership, to the tune of 30%, and an upstart party like the Reagan Conservative AIP becomes the third largest party in America over a summer season, with little more than internet and word of mouth, one had best read the writing on the wall.

Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.

45 posted on 11/25/2008 9:41:09 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: what's up
No. Now you are putting words in my mouth.

What I said was my opinion. "Some" is not part of my opinion.

What you say is yours.

You have made your point, ad nauseum. My point, is, as a conservative, the GOP is not your home. It is wishful thinking to think it is.

"Some", as yourself, see it differently.

That is your opinion.

46 posted on 11/25/2008 9:48:13 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: roamer_1
Enough.

Oh, now one poster can declare "enough" as though his opinion is the final word?

Laughable. Very laughable.

I remember when the reform party was the 3rd largest party. Or was it the green party? Where are they now?

When Haley Barbour, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, etc. (all good conservatives) speak of leaving the GOP, I'll consider the possibility that another party might get somewhere when election time comes around.

For now, many good conservatives remain in the GOP.

47 posted on 11/25/2008 9:48:40 PM PST by what's up
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To: exit82
My point, is, as a conservative, the GOP is not your home.

Ah, speaking for others again, eh?

48 posted on 11/25/2008 9:50:44 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
It's nitpicking

The point is not valid

They way he said it is appropriate in the context it was used, and to say it any other way would have sounded silly.

And its way of the topic of this thread.

It's no different than saying we (as in America) elected Obama president. Would you come back and say: some of us didn't elect Obama.

You really must have better thing to do with your time. I do, so I will not waste any more time on this thread.

49 posted on 11/25/2008 9:51:17 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: exit82
That’s why we need a new Conservative Prty. We have no longer a home in the GOP.

Maybe you should flounder around with the Libertarian Party or some other turd party. Personally, I will stay and work to take the Republican party back. You may not have noticed but we unloaded some moderate debris this past election, and added some top-notch, genuine conservative new blood.

For serious conservatives, there is no choice but to try to take back the GOP. One thing Obama's election proved yet again is that money is indeed the "mother's milk of politics", and the GOP has a money-raising infrastructure that simply dwarfs whatever any turd party, existing or proposed, could ever hope to muster.

McCain got killed in the money war precisely because he was depending on rock-ribbed, grass roots moderates to enthusiastically donate to his campaign. How stupid was that? I suspect the real money didn't start coming in to the McCain campaign until he made the Palin selection.

In any event, turd party talk is naive on the face of it and it's embarrassing on this board.

No offense meant. I am as frustrated as you are, believe me.

FRegards,
LH

50 posted on 11/25/2008 9:55:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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