(NYC) Ex-city cop wins huge award after chair he sat in broke, sending bullet into his knee

nydailynews ^ | 11.26.08 | SCOTT SHIFREL

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Some people play the lottery, some people play the courts.

Don’t know whether this is a legitimate claim, but many people do see opportunity for personal gain in accidents.

[rightwinggoth]

i think that his stupid and reckless behavior with the suspect’s pistol was a supervening cause of his accident. don’t see how the city could have lost on this one unless it had really bad representation.

[Domangart]

Lean back in any four leg chair an it will fall apart. Not a klutz but a dumb ass.

[DieHard the Hunter]

> Don’t know whether this is a legitimate claim, but many people do see opportunity for personal gain in accidents.

Here in New Zealand this would have gone absolutely nowhere.

The ex-cop would have received socialized medicine paid for by ACC (Accident Compensation Commission) — a “no fault” scheme. He would have received rehabilitation to the point where he could work again — also covered by ACC. If he required mods to his house or car to help him rehabilitate — also paid by ACC.

But no windfall riches: just enough to put you back — as near as possible — to where you were before the mishap.

OSH (Occupational Safety & Health) would have investigated the workplace and found the cop shop either guilty or no. If guilty, a fine would have been applied.

No personal injury lawsuits would have been possible: it is a legal concept not recognized in New Zealand.

The system works very well.

[Greysard]

i think that his stupid and reckless behavior with the suspect’s pistol was a supervening cause of his accident. don’t see how the city could have lost on this one unless it had really bad representation.

Probably the lawyer managed to show that the city had a duty to guarantee that the chair will not fail even if you really lean on the back. I don't know how heavy the Detective was back then, but most chairs are not designed to support 200+ lbs of pressure on the back.

I have also other concerns about this case - was the handgun on safety or not, was it supposed to be loaded or not, and whether it was proper to skip the holster thing and just shove it under the belt, and whether it would be wiser to put the gun in a drawer, or a safe, or even give it to the armorer. Maybe those who know will comment.

[monkeyshine]

The millions aside, the guy draws a 3/4 pension AND has another city job where he will undoubtedly earn a second pension in time.

The harder I work to make my own livelihood, the more I think I have been a fool all this time. If I took a different path after college, today I’d be just a few years from my “20 and a pension” and I could move to a cheaper part of the country and start anew.

[ltc8k6]

What is the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun?

[Islander7]

“...What is the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun...?”

Clear the chamber.

Why wasn’t the safety on and was his partner disiplined?

This is load of BS. If he’s still able to work in his chosen profession, no big bucks deserved.

[ExGeeEye]

First smart question of the day....

[Greysard]

What is the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun?

I think the Detective could use this advice:

Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition.

Could it be that the Detective, having taken "200+" guns off the street, gradually became too comfortable handling weapons? After all, he never shot himself before... until now.

In this light habits of that particular group of officers may appear somewhat unsafe if they routinely carry ready to fire handguns, with safety off, within their own offices. I'd better understand the lawsuit if it was claiming poor training.

[Bobalu]

Sounds like very poor handling of a strange firearm to me.
This guy needs an NRA refresher course or something.
I’m certainly no gun expert and not a trained peace officer but even I would never have treated the weapon so carelessly.

[spetznaz]

What is the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun?

Place my finger on the trigger, and then lean back on my chair. That's the correct way to do it, isn't it?

Maybe I should look inside the barrel while doing that.

(Seriously though, this case is quite interesting. Gun handling basics have certain rules that should be followed, and what you asked should be the first one to be followed.)

[SECURE AMERICA]

Some people play the lottery, some people play the courts.
Don’t know whether this is a legitimate claim, but many people do see opportunity for personal gain in accidents.

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I won't comment directly to your statement about opportunity for personal gain but more to a legitimate claim.
As a former Police Officer and Correctional Officer (Fire Arms Safety Officer) I can assure you that any incident of a firearm discharge INCLUDING ACCIDENTAL, is documented and investigated thoroughly and handle as far as evidence, just as any crime scene would be.
The chair would have been photoed at the time and taken from use and placed in evidence. Really basic procedure for even a work safety fall out of a chair scenario. That the chair could not be produced at trial would speak volumes to me personally if I was a juror.

[bikerman]

Wonder if he was holding a cup of hot coffee also causing a burn in the crotch area maybe he can make a claim on that also how about a claim on not being able to finish his donut because of the fall.Some one should sue him for not putting the safety on before jamming it into his pants.The idiot.

[Fresh Wind]

What is the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun?

You put your index finger through the trigger guard and spin the gun around like they used to do in those old western movies.

[LRS]

...Why wasn’t the safety on ...

Well, the article just said "a 9mm S&W". If this was a Sigma series, it hasn't a traditional safety: just a extention on the trigger that has to be pulled first, and some people try to by pass this system. The proper proceedure for that (and any auto) is for one to remove the mag and empty the chamber...

P.S.- I just punched up the article, and it includes a picture of the weapon. It is not a Sigma. I am not familiar with this gun Maybe some one else is, but it looks like it has a button on the trigger...

[WaterBoard]

In my opinion, this dopy cop vioalted basic firearm safety and deserves nothing from the jury.

1) Every gun is loaded.
2) He puts a loaded gun which was not cleared, nor mag removed, nor put on safety into his waist band. No department trains officers to do that.
3) He, not anyone else, put his fat finger on the trigger and shot himself in the knee, no one else did that. That is a negligent discharge and in most departments he would have been fired.
4) Never underestimate scumbag attorneys in the desire to take frivolous lawsuits to juries made up of inner city people with room temperature IQ’s.
5) The fact that this officer was collecting disability and working as a Sheriff’s Deputy in another state should have launched a fraud investigation.

[Pearls Before Swine]

There’s been a number of posts about the detective, but I was thinking about what must have gone through the mind of the suspect when this went down in the interrogation room. Holy S##t would just begin to describe it.

[Gilbo_3]

What is the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun?

lean back and shove it towards yer johnson ??? 8^O

NDs are not the fault of chairs...