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Obama Citizenship - - Who Decides, and When?
American Sentinel ^ | November 28, 2008 | jay1949

Posted on 11/28/2008 12:57:36 PM PST by jay1949

The question of Barack Obama’s citizenship, and his eligibility to hold the office of President of the United States, has become the election-year issue that will not die. Quite a few Obama opponents are holding on to the eligibility issue as the last chance to keep him out of the White House. They have placed their faith in lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility, and particularly the Berg lawsuit; but it will turn out that such faith is misplaced.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: berg; birthcertificate; certifigate; citizenship; constitution; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile
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To: LucyT
Ping!
101 posted on 11/28/2008 3:03:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: browardchad

While, obviously, the Signers and their allies intended to sever allegiance to the Crown, they did not intend to throw out all English law, or all definitions of terms based on English law. As far as I am aware, the original 13 states uniformly follow the doctrine that the common law of England continues to be the law of the state unless modified or repealed by a constitution or statute. Where our good forefathers intended a new meaning, they were not shy about saying so. The law of England as to citizenship was not derived simply from feudal doctrine, but had been established by laws passed by the English Parliament.


102 posted on 11/28/2008 3:04:59 PM PST by jay1949 (Work is the curse of the blogging class)
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To: jay1949

Up until 1971 any child under 1 year of age could get a Hawaiian birth certificate.

Bambi’s mom just had to lie to arrange it.

He was born in Kenya. His grandma spilled the beans twice before the Kenyan government hushed her up and kicked Corsi out of the country for trying to get to the bottom of it.


103 posted on 11/28/2008 3:07:20 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: jay1949
I am flattered that you think that the Supreme Court would pay any attention to my post; I suspect that they will not.

I was referring to the American Sentinel article, not your posting and linking of it. Sorry for not being clearer.

104 posted on 11/28/2008 3:08:36 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: jay1949; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; Polarik; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...

Thank you, SunkenCiv. I would have missed this article without your ping.

Pinging.


105 posted on 11/28/2008 3:17:39 PM PST by LucyT (.......................Don't go wobbly now.......................)
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To: jay1949
"Assuming Obama was born in Kenya, his mother was an American citizen, and he would fall in the understanding of “natural born citizen” at the time those words were written. I could be wrong, and I understand the arguments both ways, but on balance that is how I think it will play out."

You're right---you ARE wrong. The law in effect when Obama was born was that in order for an infant not born on US soil to be a natural born citizen, ONE parent had to be an American citizen OVER AGE 18 (Obama's mother was not yet 18) if the other was a foreign national. This has since been changed (precisely how, I don't know), but is what would apply to the existence or non-existence of Obama's "natural born citizen" status.

106 posted on 11/28/2008 3:18:07 PM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: txflake

“‘Fully hearing the case’ would take way more time than 8 days, when the electoral college meets, right?”

There would be 10 days between the 5th and the 15th when the Elecoral College is to meet. If the Justices decided to hear the case, it is my understanding that they may order an immediate stay in the Electoral process. That would mean that the Electoral College would not meet until a decision is made. I am sure the Justices would be hearing this case as quickly as they could....if they do hear it.


107 posted on 11/28/2008 3:18:44 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: goldstategop

“And the U.S Supreme Court has no desire to risk another political firestorm by overturning an election on constitutional grounds.”

Do you realize the political chaos that will result if this isn’t resolved now, in the right way? Obama’s authority as president (and the credibility of the Democrat party) will be in serious doubt, across the nation and throughout the world.


108 posted on 11/28/2008 3:21:19 PM PST by reasonisfaith (In lying to me, Mr. government official, you have granted me moral authority over you.)
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To: reasonisfaith

The lawsuits will never stop.


109 posted on 11/28/2008 3:23:53 PM PST by reasonisfaith (In lying to me, Mr. government official, you have granted me moral authority over you.)
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To: real_patriotic_american
"If the U.S. Supreme Court rules Obama ineligible before the Electoral College, the only other candidate with Electoral votes would be McCain. They could only vote on McCain."

Not true. The electors "pledged" to Obama would be free to vote for anybody they want, including Hillary. On another thread, it was already pointed out that a similar case has already occurred (I forget the details), and that the electors voted for a number of different people, depending on their own preference.

110 posted on 11/28/2008 3:23:59 PM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Repeal 16-17

I understood your meaning.


111 posted on 11/28/2008 3:24:13 PM PST by jay1949 (Work is the curse of the blogging class)
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To: Peter Horry

There Will Be No Civil War.


112 posted on 11/28/2008 3:26:20 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: AmericanVictory
which only corrected the interference to comport with the clear language of the Constitution

What clear language is that?

Look, I am a convinced, passionate opponent of Bush v. Gore, on many levels. The Constitution vested the Florida Legislature with the power to appoint electors. I am convinced that they would have done so.

It was up to Congress, not SCOTUS, to resolve this dispute. Given that the Congress had Republican majorities, it is a certainty that Bush would have been (legitimately) elected some time prior to 1/20/01. It is possible (barely) that Lieberman would have been VP.

In any event, expanding further the already grotesquely expanded power of SCOTUS was then, and still is, a bad idea.

113 posted on 11/28/2008 3:26:51 PM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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To: patriot08
Documents that must be produced include...

If he provides A, then C and D will not exist. And B, E, and F are irrelevant to the question of his eligibility to be president.

114 posted on 11/28/2008 3:26:57 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: seekthetruth
I belive that on December 5th many Americans will be surprised when they hear that more than 4 Supreme Court Justices voted to fully hear the Leo Donofrio case.

I believe you will be disappointed. Unless it's the five liberal justices who vote to take on the case.

115 posted on 11/28/2008 3:28:23 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: reasonisfaith

Maybe, maybe not. Federal courts have in the past issued orders to prevent the clerks of court from accepting for filing lawsuits from persons filing repeated actions based on claims already rejected. If enough “versus Obama” lawsuits have been filed an rejected, that may happen again. Please note that I am not advocating that such lawsuits be banned; only pointing out that they can be.


116 posted on 11/28/2008 3:28:23 PM PST by jay1949 (Work is the curse of the blogging class)
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To: RegulatorCountry
There are three: natural born, naturalized, and citizen by statute. John McCain is a citizen by statute, that bizarre, error-riddled Senate Resolution 511 notwithstanding. No one who knows what Obama is, is talking, or they're in Kenya and are being discounted. Isn't that racist?

No. The law recognizes two types of citizens - natural born citizens and naturalized citizens. There are no others.

117 posted on 11/28/2008 3:29:56 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: xkaydet65
I agree that it’s going nowhere, but if evidence surfaced that Obama was not a natural born citizen all it would take to promote a full blown crisis is one GI refusing to follow a deployment order on the grounds that it was unlawful.

Sure it will. Just ask Michael New.

118 posted on 11/28/2008 3:31:02 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Enterprise

I like your response. This whole election effort was fraud based from the campaign, to the candidate to the voter registrations. And they call our desire to challenge the BC under the constitutional eligibility requirements “garbage”. I see the liberal effort as nothing but destructive garbage, top to bottom, and I will never accept same.


119 posted on 11/28/2008 3:50:11 PM PST by mcshot (Lord hear our prayers.)
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To: samtheman
Biden as President - Oh hell no.

But Obama as President - &*e$&^%&^%*(&%)&* NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

120 posted on 11/28/2008 3:52:14 PM PST by Enterprise (No Presidency for illegal aliens from Kenya.)
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