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Rod Dreher: Ron Paul, if only we listened
The Dallas Morning News ^ | 2008-11-25 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 11/30/2008 11:16:35 AM PST by rabscuttle385

I didn't vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary (I was a Mike Huckabee man), nor did I write him in on Election Day (I penciled in farmer-poet Wendell Berry). But no Texan this year did more good for conservatism and his country than the congressman from the coast.

Lord knows there was no Republican in the 2008 campaign who talked straighter.

Dr. Paul – he's a physician – never had a chance, of course. He is too peculiar in his opinions and doesn't know how to spin like a TV slick. What he had was ideas, integrity and authenticity. On the most critical challenges facing America, Dr. Paul was more right than the well-funded GOP regulars who bigfooted the campaign trail.

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TOPICS: Editorial; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2008; conservatism; economy; electionpresident; elections; foreignpolicy; gop; libertarian; lp; ronpaul; tx
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To: rabscuttle385
Out of this destruction, some creative young conservatives may rise up and decide to take back the Republican Party. Perhaps they'll run against the overweening power of the federal government and in favor of decentralizing power (but unlike today's Republicans, they'll actually mean it). Maybe they'll fight for an America that lives responsibly, within its natural limits both overseas and at home. And maybe, just maybe, they might make the Republican Party worth following again.

Ping to read later

81 posted on 11/30/2008 2:17:23 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: CyberAnt

I hate to burst your bubble, but Ronald Reagan had good things to say about libertarianism. What’s your problem? Of do you just like to lose.

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”

From Interview with President Reagan, published in Reason July 1975

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan


82 posted on 11/30/2008 2:17:29 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: PerConPat

It is interesting to observe business cycles and the credit aspect of them. No matter people don’t learn and keep doing the things which impact and drive the business cycle.

Credit abuses are something which cannot be avoided without crushing the economy in general.


83 posted on 11/30/2008 2:18:58 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Perdogg

Agreed


84 posted on 11/30/2008 2:20:52 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: djsherin

If the government is not dictating social engineering through credit it generally is not a problem. Remove that aspect of it.


85 posted on 11/30/2008 2:21:35 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: mvpel
Some say the problem was Ron Paul's wise non-interventionist foreign policy...... yet US foreign policy of pouring a trillion dollars into Iraq, mortgaging our nation's future, is somehow not "a problem?"

One of the more brilliant and incisive comments made by Dr Paul at one of the debates was that "we in the US cannot comprehend the Mideast mindset"........a 1000-year old mindset beset by generations of religious/sectarian infighting.

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OVER A CLIFF The Pukeneos blithely announced they wanted "to spread democracy" (a 200-year old experiment) into the democracy-averse Mideast but the pukes hidden agenda crafted in secret at tax-paid three-hour lunches in posh restaurants surfaced a couple trillion tax dollars, and wasted young lives later.

MAKING THE REGION SAFE FOR PERLE'S OIL BUSINESS The Pukes led us over a cliff into Iraq using forged documents ...... and calculatedly manipulated the transfer of massive amounts of US wealth into Mideast hellholes (and into the pockets of war profiteers). Puke poobah Richard Perle, is actually going into the oil business in Iraq-----thanks to blood spilled by young Americans, and his cut of trillions of US tax dollars.

Anybody in the party who was infected by the pukeneos must be ousted.....to be redeemed only if the Infected One publicly renounces The Pukes and all they stand for.

The puke cancer has been eating away the party structure far too long. The pukes stupid political strategy supported loser after loser----they flacked McCain, Ghouliani, Mehlman, Martinez.......the list goes on and on.

Giuliani's prez campaign, masterminded by the pukes, made history as the singular most stupid campign in American political history.

Conservatives have witnessed the disastrous results of America-hating, abortion worshippung pukes let loose on our political system.

The nincompooneos kicked so/cons to the curb, and are obsessed with religious cleansing.

Worst of all, Pukeneos foisted amnesty on the US, saddling us with millions of drug runners and criminals undermining US ntl security........and conniving Third World lowlifes using multiple stolen identities who have destroyed our economy.

Course, it's difficult for dumbheaded nincompoopneos to figure it out, so let's be clear: the entire nauseating pukeneo cabal needs to stay away....far away. Includes David Frum, Michael Gerson, David Brooks, little Billy Kristol and his Daddy, Dumbo document forger Douglas Feith, Rooty Ghouliani, Lieberman (plus the termite pukes who operate sub rosa).

The pukes should not get anywhere near the Repub party, or try influencing the leadership.

Now, if the conservative-hating pukes don't like conservatives and the conservative Republican party----that's too frickin' bad.

86 posted on 11/30/2008 2:26:01 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: arrogantsob

With Fractional Reserve Banking, too much credit will always be a problem, but credit is usually extended when the government wants it to be for one reason or another.


87 posted on 11/30/2008 2:27:05 PM PST by djsherin (The federal government:: Because someone has to f*** things up!)
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To: arrogantsob
Credit abuses are something which cannot be avoided without crushing the economy in general.

I think I have the gist of your comment. But I may need clarification. Perhaps credit abuses are unavoidable. However, I would add that credit bubbles- aka credit mania- ought to be avoidable in predominantly honest societies governed by honest leaders.
88 posted on 11/30/2008 2:29:40 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: papasmurf

Saying Yes to Socialism is what has us in such piss poor shape.


89 posted on 11/30/2008 2:32:15 PM PST by Globalist Goon ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: rabscuttle385

"Ouch---that's the thanks I get for helping you guys win the WH."

90 posted on 11/30/2008 2:33:41 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: PerConPat

Credit bubbles like stock market bubbles and housing bubbles are unavoidable. Hell when speculation can even be in tulips anything is possible in a free society.

Honest societies? Are you under the impression that we used to have one?


91 posted on 11/30/2008 2:41:07 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: doc

There was no myth.

Saddam even had an entire nuclear research program hidden in Libya.

And there were thousands of forbidden weapons found and destroyed. Some of these injured our soldiers who found them.

Saddam kept the programatic capability alive so that the biological and chemical warfare programs would be up and running within months.

Dozens of the top Iraqi scientists working on these programs were assassinated after the invasion.

Weapons were removed to Syria according to Gen. Sada one of Itaq’s top Air Force leaders.

EVERY intelligence agency in the world said the same thing about Saddam’s weapons. EVERY one.

Ron Paul is a fool if he is not aware of these FACTS. He is no better than a RAT in this regard.


92 posted on 11/30/2008 2:47:44 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: B Knotts

How does conservatives being incapable of electing a nominee equate with “being shut out of the nominating process”?

If they were shut out it was because they did not get behind a candidate capable of winning votes but kept putting up people with NO chance.


93 posted on 11/30/2008 2:52:22 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: mvpel

Your description of what is happening is false. Wars are sometimes necessary and Ron Paul’s conception of foreign policy is ludicrous and indistinguishable from that of your typical RAT.


94 posted on 11/30/2008 2:55:09 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

“Ron Paul doesn’t seem quite so loony anymore..”

Nah, he still is kooky.

So many whacko things he said are beyond reason and quite frankly frightning.


95 posted on 11/30/2008 2:55:27 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the socialist messiah. 1-20-13 Freedom Day.)
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To: RKV

No president has ever been stronger wrt National Security as Reagan. In NO way was it Libertarian. Nor was Ronnie.


96 posted on 11/30/2008 2:57:26 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob
Honest societies? Are you under the impression that we used to have one?

Hmmm...Interesting point...Do you believe that a predominantly honest society is possible? At any rate, when people are without the means to secure credit by other than socialist remedies for what they perceive to be the problems in their lives, e.g. a much too humble house etc., a Barney Frank will be only too helpful to arrange a corrupt loan. It's the chicken or the egg, again. I believe bubbles are avoidable if the majority of a society is honest. But, if one believes honest societies can't exist, then economic disaster is certainly on the way at all times.

I am not yet willing to believe that the current mess is the result of the ups and downs of a typical business cycle.
97 posted on 11/30/2008 2:58:54 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: rabscuttle385

How come you didn’t mention any conservatives in your post?


98 posted on 11/30/2008 2:59:42 PM PST by USAFJeeper
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To: Liz

Ron Paul is pretty much clueless about everything and certainly has no idea about how to grow the GOP. He probably thinks top flight medical treatment is bleeding.

Just another RAT in disguise.


99 posted on 11/30/2008 3:00:20 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob

Because Democrats and Independents were allowed to choose our nominee.


100 posted on 11/30/2008 3:01:22 PM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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