Skip to comments.Pentagon to Detail Troops to Bolster Domestic Security
Posted on 12/01/2008 7:52:18 AM PST by Historix
The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.
The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.
There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement.
But the Bush administration and some in Congress have pushed for a heightened homeland military role since the middle of this decade, saying the greatest domestic threat is terrorists exploiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
Before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, dedicating 20,000 troops to domestic response -- a nearly sevenfold increase in five years -- "would have been extraordinary to the point of unbelievable," Paul McHale, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, said in remarks last month at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But the realization that civilian authorities may be overwhelmed in a catastrophe prompted "a fundamental change in military culture," he said.
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“But the Bush administration and some in Congress have pushed for a heightened homeland military role since the middle of this decade, saying the greatest domestic threat is terrorists exploiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.”
-It’s a good thing Bush sealed the border so we don’t have to worry about it as much.
The Posse Commitatus Act needs revising, but it does give me pause having thousands of military assuming national law enforcement duties under the next President.
Ya, rediculous, let’s don’t seal the border or profile airline passengers, instead, let’s gear up from the eventual attack that we are going to just let happen. The USA doesn’t deserve to exist any longer frankly, it has forfeighted it’s inheritance ...
Will these troops soon be tranferred and issued new uniforms with National Civilian Security Force markings...something like a pair of lightning bolts, perhaps?
They’re preparing for the coming revolution. They’ll send southern rural troops against the inner cities, and urban troops against the southern suburbs and rural areas.
< /tin foil hat >
Are those the same ones who complained that President Bush allowed (or caused) New Orleans to flood because he didn't send in troops within minutes of Katrina's landfall?
This is but one more example of how government puts bandaids on a problem instead of fixing the problem.
Oh well, I guess it will make the illegal Mexicans feel right at home. For decades the Mexicans have had their Federales set up roadblocks to check out papers held by drivers.
This is very bad and runs contrary to our American traditiosns of civilian control. This is another dangerous Bush legacy for Obama.
The “leftists” won’t complain about this because they now control the troops! It is the conservatives who supported this kind of thing that will have reason to complain. Unfortunately, many of them won’t have a leg to stand on in terms of principle.
I believe under Posse Comitatus, the military is allowed to be used for training civilian law enforcement and they are allowed to ‘loan’ their equipment, etc. But, the military is not supposed to take an active role in LE unless LE is unable to do so. And we are clearly not in that situation.
This whole thing concerns me because I see it starting off as a training session, then tip toe’ing over the line, then revising laws to ignore the purpose of Posse Comitatus.
It sounds like this is where BO’s Domestic Civilian Security Force starts.
I do not agree with this at all..
Despite the call to reform the Act. Military troops are not the right way to go within the borders. Basically the troops are trained to defend the country though combat power.. not domestic duties outside of the gates of the installations.
But.. this is not the only thing happening in the military that seems crazy since I went and retired.
Best way to start a fight is to get right up in someones face.
My Government is getting in my face.
It would seem President Bush gave Obama all of the tools he will need, it hardly seems by chance.
Yes, BO has Bush and other Republicans to thank for it! Maybe, conservatives will start being suspicious of the federal police state again, as they were under Clinton. We can only hope they will continue to remain so even if a Republican comes back to power.
I find it very strange too that Bush would do this. I would have expected BO to have implemented this allowing him to train his civlian force. This is getting stranger by the day. Where’s my tinfoil?
We have the national guard for that - I don’t buy the premise for this “need”.
We get all this security, now I wonder how much liberty its going to cast us.
Thanks to all the short-sighted "conservatives" who may well find themselves being branded domestic terrorists by the marxist government scheduled to be sworn in January 20,2009.
What crimes are these home forces going to fight?
It is not “tinfoil” to distrust federal use of the military for police enforcment purposes....that is unless you want to call Jefferson, Paine, and Adams “tinfoil.”
All I can say is:
Look at my tagline.
“What crimes are these home forces going to fight?”
Bill Ayers seriously planned camps for 25 million resistant to his version of “hope” and “change.” What do you think?
You are correct, but unfortunately the Bush supporters will see anybody who questions this as a tinfoil wearing something-rather, and they will do their best to defend his decisions.
Well, I guess we can ignore Posse Comititatus now. It’s for “security,” after all. Unbelievable.
POLICE STATE here we are.
Bad news. Mark the date.
In retrospect it seems hard to believe that Bush-McCain and the Obama forces were seen as having been on opposite sides.
Please Mr. Conservative (insert sarcasm here) President Bush, go ahead and do one more bone-headed act before you leave office!
“Is America so dangerous (except for our inner cities that we don’t have to visit) that we need troops with guns and tanks running down our streets?”
You know, it probably is.
Think about what would happen if a small nuke went off in LA or a like city. Think of the rioting and mass of criminals who would take advantage of the civil unrest. Think of the people who are incapable of surving on their own (New Orleans).
That said, the danger of a Reichstag situation where a utopian opportunist uses some real disaster like an attack seize power is very real.
I mean, the Dhims try now to rig elections (Minnesota comes to mind).
Just think what they would do in a real emergency.
And law-and-order conservatives would be the first to back up and circle the wagon around the government.
The reason we don't have military law enforcement, is we don't want people trained to automatically obey the orders of their superiors, and without training in what UNLAWFUL orders need to be rejected, doing enforcement on the streets.
And for domestic emergencies, that's what the National Guard is for.
I would much prefer for National Guard to be given federal CCW authorization throughout the US (after suitable training), even in states that prohibit CCW.
The Road to Serfdom
by Friedrich A. Hayek
The best possible Homeland Defense, IMO, would to offer a concealed carry permit to every citizen who is not a felon.
Interesting. I think we did something exactly like that vis-a-vis JEB Stuart's rednecks in the north and Sherman's city boys in the rural south a while back.
Remember the N.O. Police chief saying: We are taking the guns. Nobody will be allowed to have guns but the military and the police. Then they brought in combat hardened troops from gun control states like Illinois to go dough to dough and seize them evil weapoons.
Perfect timing for Prez Hussein. I'll bet he's got his list and he's checkin' it twice....
It’s hard enough to train local law enforcement in my state that open carry of defensive firearms is legal and not a valid basis for stopping and questioning someone absent any other element, so I can’t possibly imagine what it’d be like with military personnel.
Any mention of putting some troops on the border?
I recommend a dark short story titled "Diner" from Perpetuity Blues and other stories by Neal Barrett, Jr.
It really tempers my thinking on these things.
It's a disturbing prevision of a post-nuclear Southeast Texas fishing community, occupied by Chinese communist peacekeepers. Think of a day when illegal mexicans are the least of your worries, and hell, your trading partners for food.
The way I look at it, the USA doesn't actually exist anymore. We are living the beginning of the post-Constitutional period. Last true demonstration of the Constitution was BillJeff's impeachment.
This only makes it that much easier to move from capitalism to socialism/Marxism.