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The Fall of Athens
Wall Street Journal Europe ^ | DECEMBER 12, 2008 | TAKIS MICHAS

Posted on 12/14/2008 9:40:31 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace

The Fall of Athens

The Greek government loses the battle of ideas, and then it loses control.

When Greece's conservative New Democracy party came to power in March 2004 it promised three things: to "reinvent" the state, to eliminate corruption and to initiate much-needed educational reform. Four years later, the situation remains unchanged: The state is still a tool for bestowing benefits and favors, corruption in the public sector is still rampant, and all attempts at educational reform have quickly fizzled out.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anarchists; classicalliberalism; firebomb; greece; greek; newdemocracy; riots
Hat tip to FReeper Verginius Rufus for finding this article. It is a very good read. I was too lazy to post this last night.
1 posted on 12/14/2008 9:40:32 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace
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To: Verginius Rufus

/posted the article you mentioned.


2 posted on 12/14/2008 9:41:18 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Why does the author talk about “classical liberalism” and “the left” as if they’re polar opposites?


3 posted on 12/14/2008 9:50:56 AM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

A fantastic article. Worth reading here, too, in the time of Washington gone made.


4 posted on 12/14/2008 9:54:10 AM PST by tanuki (Summum ius summa injuria. (The more law, the less justice))
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To: lainie
Liberalism in Europe had a very different meaning from "liberalism" in modern American politics. Liberalism was originally associated with notions of liberty, inalienable rights, responsible self-government (not necessarily implying universal suffrage)--the ideas people like John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, or the Marquis de LaFayette would have agreed with.

It's only later (mid-19th century on) that the idea that a utopia can be created catches on, and with it the idea that the government is the agent to do that, the inspiration for "Progressives" in America from the early 1900s to the present.

5 posted on 12/14/2008 9:59:02 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: lainie

Short version: Classical liberalism is much closer to views held by conservatives (rights of the individual, markets, etc) than by socialists or “American Liberalism”.

There are those who feel that the term “liberal” has been hijacked in a sense.


6 posted on 12/14/2008 10:01:01 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Verginius Rufus
"...the ideas people like John Adams, Thomas Jefferson,..."

Adams was irreplaceable during the Revolution. As a President, however, he stunk. He was our first liberal President, giving us travesties like the Alien and Sedition Acts. But worse, after his loss to Jefferson he packed the federal courts with more big gov't types including Marbury of Marbury v. Madison fame, which, IMHO, led to the downfall of our Republic.

7 posted on 12/14/2008 10:04:12 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
...the party has over the years purged from its ranks all voices of classical liberalism and has explicitly rejected values-based narratives in favor of an ill-defined pragmatism. This has proved no match for the ideological assault by the left, which ended up monopolizing the marketplace of ideas in the universities and the other educational establishments of the country.

"The fall of Rome," wrote Seneca, "took place when Rome's pragmatism ceased to be pragmatic."


Hmm... sounds familiar.
8 posted on 12/14/2008 10:10:40 AM PST by modhom
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To: lainie
Classical liberalism = freedom/individualism
Modern Leftism = servitude/collectivism

Sounds like polar opposites to me

9 posted on 12/14/2008 10:18:16 AM PST by douginthearmy
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To: gorush
Adams had a tough act to follow, being Washington's successor. He did some good things, like making peace with France (to end the "Quasi-War") when taking a more belligerent stance might have ensured his re-election. I'm not sure how much initiative he had in the Alien and Sedition Acts--they were passed by Congress and he signed them, but had he encouraged their passage?

Marbury didn't get the office he was intended to receive, thanks to John Marshall's decision in Marbury v. Madison. Picking John Marshall to be Chief Justice may have been Adams' most important legacy as President.

The election of 1800 may have been the only time that the 3/5th rule (counting three-fifths of the slaves when calculating the number of seats in the House of Representatives a state got, which affected the number of electoral votes) made the difference in the outcome--without the extra electoral votes in the South because of that rule, Adams might have had more votes than Jefferson and gotten another term. Whether he would have agreed to the Louisiana Purchase, I don't know.

10 posted on 12/14/2008 10:46:20 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: modhom

Why do they have to use phrases like ‘values-based narratives’. Narrative has become an intellectual buzzowrd. Buzz buzz, what is a values-based narrative.


11 posted on 12/14/2008 10:48:48 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: Verginius Rufus
"I'm not sure how much initiative he had in the Alien and Sedition Acts"

As I recall from all that I've read on the subject he was responsible for those acts being shepherded through Congress. It was his critics that these acts were intended to silence. (But I've been wrong before, heck, I voted for a democrat once.)

12 posted on 12/14/2008 10:52:59 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Definitely the Sedition Act was intended to silence Adams’ critics, but I don’t know whether he was involved in getting Congress to pass the bill. Interesting omission in the law—it wasn’t a crime to criticize the Vice President, since the Vice President at the time was Thomas Jefferson.


13 posted on 12/14/2008 10:56:42 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

If the conservative government falls, it’s exactly what the leftist agitators wanted!


14 posted on 12/14/2008 10:57:20 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: squarebarb

Heh heh, I agree it sounds like ivoryspeak. And sadly it connotes another buzzphrase, “faith-based”, which confuses things.


15 posted on 12/14/2008 11:17:48 AM PST by modhom
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