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Flat-screen TVs to face energy-efficiency rules in California (Libs intruding again)
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tv3-2009jan03,0,2869589.story ^ | 01/03/09 | Marc Lifsher

Posted on 01/05/2009 12:50:05 PM PST by Sig Sauer P220

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To: Da Coyote

That’s the whole point.

ONLY the elites should use unlimited amounts of energy and enjoy luxuries like air conditioning, heating, lights, travel, big screen TVs, etc.


21 posted on 01/05/2009 1:18:38 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MrB

This is criminal because it is simply not true.

When I got my first TFT monitor about 10 years ago, I remember a graph on the side comparing it to a CRT monitor. It used about 15% of the energy of the traditional monitor. Televisions are no different.

Not sure where this article is getting their “facts”.


22 posted on 01/05/2009 1:19:37 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well, you and I both know that the “green” movement is nothing but a vehicle for elitist socialist control of the “commoners”.

These fascists would love nothing more than a return to a system similar to feudalism.


23 posted on 01/05/2009 1:21:34 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: weegee
I have for the most part given up watching TV. It's a useless enterprise. Our local library has DVD for checkout, we frequent that place weekly. They have the DVDs as soon as they get released to the rental stores.

Recently we got a Wii and that is proving fun for all ages.

24 posted on 01/05/2009 1:22:16 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Gaffer
"Based on some of the NOLA Katrina horror articles with pictures I've seen, the worst hit (poor) nearly always had a big screen in their poor little hovel. "

Well, if you steal'em you don't have to pay any taxes on'm.
25 posted on 01/05/2009 1:22:53 PM PST by FrankR (“Turtle up”, economically, for the duration of the 0bamanation.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

I can see folks driving to Tiajuana and Las Vegas to purchase illegal, energy hogging flat screen t.v.s.
Thus another underground economy was born.


26 posted on 01/05/2009 1:22:53 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
But then I'll be buying all my stuff outside Californicatestan anyway.

PS, I got a "Spelling okay" on this post, thanks!

27 posted on 01/05/2009 1:24:19 PM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: Paradox

“...they give out alot of heat, even more than the equivalent CRT.”

I don’t believe that. CRTs of equivalent picture size use more energy and generate more heat. Holding the picture size constant, LCD computer monitors are more energy-efficient than CRTs.

The thing is, today’s LCDs and plasmas are so much bigger. The chart attached to the article is misleading (intentionally, I believe) because it compares TV technologies based on average screen size FOR THAT TECHNOLOGY.


28 posted on 01/05/2009 1:24:24 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: BigBobber
There is an amazing graphic at the link that shows old CRT’s are the most efficient TVs!

Tricky, tricky MSM.

The chart is for the "average size" TV in each category. While not quite their typical apples vs. oranges comparison, it is a grapefruit vs. tangerine comparison because the average CRT is probably 20-27 inches, while the average LCD, projection or plasma is a lot bigger TV with a lot more area to light up.

29 posted on 01/05/2009 1:27:09 PM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

I’ve got a 50” plasma. It loves energy, and I love it.

The government can go **** itself for all I care.


30 posted on 01/05/2009 1:29:07 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Resist the Obamination!)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
But the elite will go on building/buying/living in Mega Mansions of tens of thousands of square feet and 12 foot ceilings to heat/cool - and a few hundred light bulbs, be they little mercury bombs or not - using 20 times more energy than we Plebeians - with not a whisper about the consumption.

They need to get the he*l out of our houses...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

We should all cache this link and send it to everyone we know - put it in a “letter to the editor” of all our local papers. Maybe people will start to get a clue.

31 posted on 01/05/2009 1:42:27 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Move out of California if you are American.


32 posted on 01/05/2009 1:54:37 PM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Giv’em an inch, they take a mile.

A 29’ CRT takes about 130W to run. That’s .32 watts per square inch of viewing pleasure.

An 52” LCD rated “average” in energy consumption pulls around 250 watts, about .22 watts per square inch.

An LCD rated “poor” in energy consumption may pull as much power per square inch as a CRT TV.

Most 32” LCDs rated “good” in energy consumption pull LESS overall energy than that smaller CRT.

At worst there’s no improvement. The article twists the truth to gain support for the liberal agenda. Most LCD TVs pull more overall power because they’re a lot bigger, but they are more energy efficient than CRTs.

A big diesel bus sure uses a lot more fuel than my commuter car, but then again it can also carry a lot more people, making it overall more fuel efficient in getting people around.


33 posted on 01/05/2009 2:04:34 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: swain_forkbeard
The thing is, today’s LCDs and plasmas are so much bigger. The chart attached to the article is misleading (intentionally, I believe) because it compares TV technologies based on average screen size FOR THAT TECHNOLOGY.

I could have sworn that was the case, but then was informed that that was untrue, however, it looks like you (and I formerly) are right. Most LCD's use more energy because they are simply larger.

Like I said though, new technologies are just coming to the fore that will take care of the problem, like LED backlighting and OrganicLED displays.

34 posted on 01/05/2009 2:10:55 PM PST by Paradox (When the left have no one to villainize, they'll turn on each other.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Flee.
Just flee.


35 posted on 01/05/2009 2:13:42 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: BigBobber
There is an amazing graphic at the link that shows old CRT’s are the most efficient TVs!

Given the actual energy consumption numbers I found, it looks like their "average" CRT is around maybe 27" and their "average" LCD is over 32".

36 posted on 01/05/2009 2:16:29 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Paradox
Still, the government should stay out of this, its silly really.

So is "telling me" I can't have a HOT/warm wash/rinse cycle, by not allowing manufacturers to include it in the cycle options of a washing machine.

OTOH, turning off the cold faucet while it's filling....

37 posted on 01/05/2009 2:25:55 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If Liberalism doesn't kill me, I'll live 'till I die!)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
My LCD screen uses substantially LESS than the old CRT model.

I think they got it wrong. I'm told that plasma takes more, but my LCD takes much less.

Same for the one on my computer.

38 posted on 01/05/2009 2:32:49 PM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Not sure where this article is getting their “facts”.

If eco-warriors were concerned with Facts, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. :-)

FWIW, unless they're including the "trickle charge" where the LCDs never really turn off, LCD sets are far, far more energy efficient than Tube TVs, or Monitors.

Now, they do cost a little more to run when "off" (since they never really shut off unless you unplug them) but we're talking just a few watts/hour here. Even tens of thousands of sets wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.

39 posted on 01/05/2009 2:34:54 PM PST by wbill
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To: BigBobber
There is an amazing graphic at the link that shows old CRT’s are the most efficient TVs!

Not exactly, from the way I read it.

The CRT is a smaller "average" size screen than the other types' "average sizes", and they were NOT comparing same size TVs, but "average" size of each type.

A 26" screen is basically 1/4 the area of a 52" screen, so (over simplified) a huge set that is twice as efficient will still use twice as much power--their measure--than the less efficient smaller set.

40 posted on 01/05/2009 2:38:15 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If Liberalism doesn't kill me, I'll live 'till I die!)
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