Posted on 01/12/2009 10:09:34 PM PST by LuxMaker
A retired NYPD officer raped a woman after drugging her at a Bronx bar and hauling her to a motel in Westchester, police said.
Greenburgh detectives charged ex-cop Jose Arroyo, 46, with the November rape and kidnapping of the 31-year-old woman.
Arroyo, who left the force in 2005, slipped a drug in the woman's drink while they chatted at Doyle's Pub in Throggs Neck, police said.
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But a 31 year old woman at a bar surely was planning to go home with somebody. I’m not saying that absolves him of criminal behavior, it does not. It should not. But she shouldn’t feel as bad.
I thought this was about Hiram Monserrate...
I find your statement to be very strange.
I simply cannot relate to it in any manner.
You should reflect long and hard on what you said.
Nothing can possible mitigate the shameful act described in this article. How can a human being sink so low as to pull such a stunt. I actually feel sorry for the sick bastard...to wind up as such a pitiful creature.
WTF?
“Of course, she would have gave it up willingly, so she shouldn’t feel bad about being raped, am I correct?”
I guess in court, her willingness would have to be determined by things like what kind of clothes she wore. Perhaps her sexual history might be relevant, as well. /s
Speaking of which the rat leaders prevailed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/nyregion/07albany.html?ref=nyregion
http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2009/01/12/latest_news/4latestnews.txt
Diaz said he son literally slapped him to get to get him to go along ?!
“While Democrats were in the minority, there was no minimum funding amount and some Democrats on Monday recounted the Republicans’ refusal to provide pens and pencils and one Democrat said he had to tap into his pension to upgrade his office.”
Good. But now they want vengeance.
“Because I’m a a pastor, I say, let’s share, let’s be equal,” said Democratic Sen. Ruben Diaz of the Bronx, now with a powerful and lucrative committee chairmanship in the majority. Then he said with a laugh: “If I were not a pastor, I would say — suffer a little bit.”
Disgrace. I hope the stinking union won’t foot his legal bills. I’m not sure if they stick up for retired cops who commit crimes.
I disagree.
I don’t understand? Because a woman is in a bar she wants to get laid?
if this guy gets convicted of this, I fully believe he has done it before.....
what to say about a man who has to resort to drugging someone to get sex...pathetic......and I just hope he gets a warm welcome among his fellow criminals...
We are talking about the thin blue line here.
That's the stupidest statement I have ever read on FR.
I think the police unions are a major problem just like most other unions. Their defense of cops who commit crimes is abhorrent. Disgraces to their badge should be shunned by fellow officers.
You must be stupid (and yes, the word fits in your case). So, a woman who is in a club and gets raped 'shouldn't feel as bad' because she was probably planning to go home with someone anyways.
Your level of stupidity knows no bounds, and that is not a personal attack. Just a statement of fact.
What’s with all the outrage? I said it was criminal and he should be punished. Geez.
“If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?” the sheik said in his sermon. “The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”
Oh yes, the tried and not so true, "she had it coming" defense. Too bad Obama's vision of a Islamic America has yet to take shape, because the woman is held responsible for rape in Muslim countries and she would be punished for this.
This is a heavily contested category, but I must agree the comment in question is a serious contender.
In (very) partial defense of exist, there are bars and bars. A woman alone at some bars is probably indeed there to get laid. But even in such a case this is not even close to being a valid defense for assault and rape.
Sometimes you wish the jury had the option to vote to form a firing squad.
Is that you Bobby Knight?
Are you a blooming idiot?
Or do you just play one on FreeRepublic?
You should ask the mods to delete your post.
Stupid doesn’t begin to describe it.
I Read the comments in the newspaper article this came from. A lot of NY people seem to be very dissatisfied with the NYPD. ;0)
WRONG. I don't care if she's a stripper working a pole. Rape is rape is rape.
It is HIS FAULT. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
That is one of the sickest posts I’ve ever seen.
i know it's early but i think you win dumbest post of the day. it's between you and post #2.
or maybe just the people who care enough to comment on an article. not exactly a scientific observation. you basing your silly statement on any other “facts”?
Get real.
the only ones who do not like the nypd are the ones who get locked up by them. stop believing the vocal minority. use your own head.
She may well have been planning to go somewhere with somebody, but the rest is in your twisted self projection.
I can't imagine what he could be a 'Pastor' of.
I have to go with Impy.
Yes he should be defended, but at his own expense, and other officers should not have to stand with him. - Police unions are oxymoronic.
we turn our backs on our own when they have been convicted. not before.
If that crud is “your own,” I don’t know what you’re doing here.
huh. i thought this republic was founded on innocence, then proven guilt. you sound like the opposite which would make YOU the outcast around here.
Relax, I was simply making the point that he sounded much akin to a Islamic Imam.
How the hell would you know that? You think every woman at a bar is only there because she wants to have sex with random strangers? That is the dumbest, not to mention most sexist remark I have heard in a long time. I don't know if you are male or female, but either way, it's stupid for you to presume you know every ones motives when obviously you haven't a clue.
“WRONG. I don’t care if she’s a stripper working a pole. Rape is rape is rape. “
How long have you been posting here that you don’t know what the “/s” sarcasm tag is?
“WRONG. I don’t care if she’s a stripper working a pole. Rape is rape is rape. “
In this case, simply being in a bar is not an invitation to rape. Nor, I suppose, is being a stripper an invitation to rape.
But, some of the stuff that is called “rape” these days should not be, IMHO. In my estimation, the charge of “marital rape” is bogus. I also think that it is impossible for a prostitute to be raped. When a woman has made sex into commerce, the most she should be able to charge is theft of services. In both the foregoing cases, however, if there is violence, then that is a crime. But there is no need to call it “rape.” Simple assault would cover it.
So I guess by your handle that you're a lawyer. Let's say a client stops you as you are going home. The client pulls out a gun and tells you that you'll have to go back to your office and draft a will for him or he will kill you. Since you're a lawyer, does that mean that the only thing he should be charged with is theft of services? No kidnapping? No assault or menancing or whatever it's called in your jurisdiction?
Of course, those crimes would come into play. But there is something about the crime of rape having to do with the intimate nature of the act, and the violation of a woman’s privacy or virtue or morality, or whatever you want to call it. That element is missing, IMO, in the fairly recently minted crime of “marital rape,” and in the “rape” of a prostitute.
I don’t think that a woman’s dress or prior behavior is an excuse for rape. But, consideration of a woman’s character when “rape” is alleged is somehow instinctive, I think, for the reasons stated above. I just think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.
BTW, it is the feminists who pushed for the crime of “marital rape,” and who have hounded law enforcement to treat every prostitute claiming rape as if she were a blushing, virginal schoolgirl.
As to the first issue, “marital rape,” it is part of the feminist agenda to weaken the concept and institution of marriage, which, among other things, is a contractual promise to have sex with each other. It is also part of their agenda to demonize men, and to portray every man who persists — even when he knows his wife would really rather not — as a “rapist.”
As to the second issue, it is part of the feminist agenda to eliminate any vestige of traditional morality, and to devalue the idea of sexual virtue, especially for women. Hence, they pretend that there is no substantive difference between a moral woman who is forced by someone to whom she is not married to have sex, and a prostitute who is forced to have sex, then not paid for it. IMHO, there is a dfference, although it’s not something I have thought through sufficiently well to give a complete explanation as to why.
Of course, that's not an element of the crime; rather, rape was defined at common law as a carnal knowledge of a woman not one's wife against her will. The operative language, of course, is "against her will." Rape is a crime because it is a violation of another's liberty; that is, she is forced to do something against her will, the same way as our hypothetical lawyer is taken away against her will, which is kidnapping.
You are right. It is not an “element” of the crime in a legal sense. But it is what makes the crime so offensive — over and above an ordinary assault.
Sources. ;0)
One of THE most ridiculous statements I’ve ever read on these boards. So—every woman who goes to a bar for a drink deserves to be drugged, kidnapped and raped?
He could have joined the force at age 22 and retired after 20 with full pension at 43. Not unusual at all (I have a son with NYPD and my dad was also NYPD).
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